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Grendel

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,326
Brighton Sky Blue said:
She is right on some things though, the settlements break international law and Israeli military actions aren't always just aimed at Hamas. Without a 2 state solution it will never end
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She only cares because she despises Jews
 
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Deleted member 11652

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,327
Grendel said:
Sultana claims she receives more correspondence from her constituents supporting Palestinians than any other topic - of course she does
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You wanna see the people my age on Insta it’s on everyone’s stories. Glad social media isn’t a reflection on real life. A bit like this place
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,328
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Base that on substance and policy not MPs on Twitter
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I can't mate I'm sorry .. I'm done with them
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,329
Evo1883 said:
Labour MPs marching in a protest that is full of anti semitic /anti Jewish rhetoric .

So thick it hurts

We will change ? Will you fuck
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Enjoy

Antisemitism in the UK Conservative Party - Wikipedia
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,330
Grendel said:
She only cares because she despises Jews
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????

Conflating Jews with all of Israel is a breach of IHRA anti-Semitism guidelines...
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,331
Evo1883 said:
I can't mate I'm sorry .. I'm done with them
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Can't look past Twitter?
 

clint van damme

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,332
dubed said:
She is right and illegal settlements and post-wars occupations. But lest we forget, it was Hamas that began the attacks. She is conventionally wrong about that.

I'm am ashamed to have a politician representing Coventry in this way.
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but you can show solidarity with the people of Palestine without endorsing Hamas.
If there were no Hamas Zionists would still pursue their agenda, if Israel totally withdrew from Palestine Hamas would still pursue theirs and the ordinary people are the ones suffering, as usual in the these situations.
 
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Grendel

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,333
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Enjoy

Antisemitism in the UK Conservative Party - Wikipedia
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Incredible you don’t deny Jew hare in the Labour Party but try and deflect - wow
 

TomRad85

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,334
Evo1883 said:
I'm done with Labour
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You should be. The usual cretins on my social media are all over these marches. Same people that preach about the Labour Party 24/7 you won't be surprised to hear.
The party is finished. Needs a bullet in it, maybe something better can grow from the decomposing corpse.

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Evo1883

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,335
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Can't look past Twitter?
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It's not twitter mate , it's thousands upon thousands of people that just don't align with me at all .
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,336
dubed said:
She is right and illegal settlements and post-wars occupations. But lest we forget, it was Hamas that began the attacks. She is conventionally wrong about that.

I'm am ashamed to have a politician representing Coventry in this way.
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Getting into an argument about who started what in the region is a hiding to nowhere. This goes back almost to the end of WW2. You can’t say this started with one specific event that started a week ago.
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,337
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Enjoy

Antisemitism in the UK Conservative Party - Wikipedia
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Mate come on I don't expect the , but the tories line from you .

There are more than just this as a reason ..I cant stand their MPs or a hefty chunk of their followers
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,338
Evo1883 said:
It's not twitter mate , it's thousands upon thousands of people that just don't align with me at all .
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You will find those in any political party.
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,339
Grendel said:
She only cares because she despises Jews
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You’re only in denial of what she says because you despise...

... well, everything.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,340
Evo1883 said:
Mate come on I don't expect the , but the tories line from you .

There are more than just this as a reason ..I cant stand their MPs or a hefty chunk of their followers
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If we want to discuss anti-Semitism in UK politics, it's got to be done objectively. It is not just one party.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,341
Grendel said:
Incredible you don’t deny Jew hare in the Labour Party but try and deflect - wow
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This is old ground isn't it. 40% of Tory members 'have a problem' choosing Sajid Javid as party leader, anti-Semitism complaints comprise a fraction of a percent of Labour members but because the party overall has a much larger membership, it seems a bigger % than it is.

Oh and I didn't vote Labour this month
 

Grendel

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,342
Brighton Sky Blue said:
????

Conflating Jews with all of Israel is a breach of IHRA anti-Semitism guidelines...
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odd how all her human right issues are focussed on this and of course she has form - defend the indefensible all you like
 

TomRad85

Well-Known Member
  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,343
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If we want to discuss anti-Semitism in UK politics, it's got to be done objectively. It is not just one party.
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You're right, Labour and The National Front may as well join forces.

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Ian1779

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,344
Evo1883 said:
Doesn't seem fake Ian, what made you say it was ?

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It was supposedly taken off another social media site for being a stock video with a voiceover.
We’ll find out one way or another soon enough. If it is real then the people responsible need to be punished accordingly.
 
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wingy

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,345
"Boris Johnson willing to 'rip up' his own Brexit deal to avoid Northern Ireland violence - Mirror Online" Boris Johnson willing to 'rip up' Brexit deal to avoid Northern Ireland violence
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,346
Grendel said:
Does the Tonester have a bat phone on alert every time I post

Bless him
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Ha ha ha. Everytime you post. You’re never of here. If I had a bat alarm I’d have chucked it in the bottom of a lake years ago, it would have just been a constant beep. Get a life you sad fucker.
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,347
Brighton Sky Blue said:
She is right on some things though, the settlements break international law and Israeli military actions aren't always just aimed at Hamas. Without a 2 state solution it will never end
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It will never be resolved. Rightly or wrongly, to a person Palestinians have never accepted the post war situation, and which was railroaded on them by the USA, not the British. And rightly or wrongly, every time they have attacked the borders since that time the result has been the capture of more lands by a American-backed Israel to claim the need to have a ceasefire patch to protect their lands. But for sure, it has always been the PLF or Hamas at the heart of instigating the troubles. There are obvious parallels from history on our own doorstep.

I don't know the answers and have sympathy for both sides, but I do know that a sitting MP shouldn't be on the streets campaigning for 'inalienable rights' and which will surely stoke up trouble here, and elsewhere.
 
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Ian1779

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,348
dubed said:
It will never be resolved. Rightly or wrongly, to a person Palestinians have never accepted the post war situation, and which was railroaded on them by the USA, not the British. And rightly or wrongly, every time they have attacked the borders since that time the result has been the capture of more lands by a American-backed Israel to claim the need to have a ceasefire patch to protect their lands. But for sure, it has always been the PLF or Hamas at the heart of instigating the troubles. There are obvious parallels from history on our own doorstep.

I don't know the answers and have sympathy for both sides, but I do know that a sitting MP shouldn't be on the streets campaigning for 'inalienable rights' and which will surely stoke up trouble here, and elsewhere.
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You’re making out like it’s a balanced conflict. It’s not in the slightest.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,349
dubed said:
She is right and illegal settlements and post-wars occupations. But lest we forget, it was Hamas that began the attacks. She is conveniently wrong about that.

I'm ashamed to have a politician representing Coventry in this way.
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Really? Hamas started this??? Best joke I’ve heard on here
 

Skybluefaz

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,350
Sunday evening is not the time for SBT to sort out the Israel/Palestine conflict. Spark up another Biamou thread for light relief.
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,351
Ian1779 said:
You’re making out like it’s a balanced conflict. It’s not in the slightest.
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Do you mean balanced in terms of warfare? Then, of course it's not.

When you are a people that seem to have no recourse to justice (and we do need to see the end to certain Israel injustices) then lobbing rockets over the wall is understandable. Indeed, Hamas have never stopped firing rockets over the Israel border, it's a week in week out occurrence in some parts. But when you fire on Tel Aviv, then Tel Aviv is going to have something to say back.

If France started raining missives on London tomorrow, you would simply want to allow the situation to continue in some kind of proportionate tit for tat? If I was in London, I'd say make them stop.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,352
dubed said:
It will never be resolved. Rightly or wrongly, to a person Palestinians have never accepted the post war situation, and which was railroaded on them by the USA, not the British. And rightly or wrongly, every time they have attacked the borders since that time the result has been the capture of more lands by a American-backed Israel to claim the need to have a ceasefire patch to protect their lands. But for sure, it has always been the PLF or Hamas at the heart of instigating the troubles. There are obvious parallels from history on our own doorstep.

I don't know the answers and have sympathy for both sides, but I do know that a sitting MP shouldn't be on the streets campaigning for 'inalienable rights' and which will surely stoke up trouble here, and elsewhere.
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Rightly or wrongly, it is not all on the people living in squalor on a narrow strip of desert compared to a state with the backing of the most powerful country on the planet. And a state that threatened New Zealand with war for daring to criticise the West Bank settlements.

Both peoples have a right to recognition
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,353
Sky Blue Pete said:
Really? Hamas started this??? Best joke I’ve heard on here
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The current rocket exchange. Yes they did, that's simply a fact.
 
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wingy

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,354
I feel It all kinda suit's Netanyahu who once again can't form his own govt.
 
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TomRad85

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,355
dubed said:
If I was in London, I'd say make them stop.
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Let me move out first then they can crack on

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Grendel

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,356
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Rightly or wrongly, it is not all on the people living in squalor on a narrow strip of desert compared to a state with the backing of the most powerful country on the planet. And a state that threatened New Zealand with war for daring to criticise the West Bank settlements.

Both peoples have a right to recognition
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The fascinating thing is Labour left wing members and politicians are far more invested in this conflict than any other on the planet and we all know why
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,357
TomRad85 said:
You're right, Labour and The National Front may as well join forces.

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This is like the Sky headline ‘Labour denies it is like the Nazis’
 
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Ian1779

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,358
dubed said:
Do you mean balanced in terms of warfare? Then, of course it's not.

When you are a people that seem to have no recourse to justice (and we do need to see the end to certain Israel injustices) then lobbing rockets over the wall is understandable. Indeed, Hamas have never stopped firing rockets over the Israel border, it's a week in week out occurrence in some parts. But when you fire on Tel Aviv, then Tel Aviv is going to have something to say back.

If France started raining missives on London tomorrow, you would simply want to allow the situation to continue in some kind of proportionate tit for tat? If I was in London, I'd say make them stop.
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It’s like retaliating to a kid firing a catapult by using a trebuchet.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,359
dubed said:
The current rocket exchange. Yes they did, that's simply a fact.
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Thought the police stormed the mosque
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,360
Sky Blue Pete said:
Thought the police stormed the mosque
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And I meant it’s a powder keg ready to go off at any moment
 
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