I came from a council estate and went to a failing comp and was only one of a handful who went to Uni.
My family all voted labour - oddly at 18 I could think for myself - unlike you it seems
You’re just a sheep for being born in the tail end of the 20th century. If you were a truly free thinker you’d have been born into mass social housing just before a housing bubble.Credit to you for buying a house for 70p
Wealth is the key there. But no one wants to tackle that.
I’d be happy as a higher rate income tax payer to pay a bit more. I can afford it and the country is in the toilet, but it’s wealth that really matters.
Charity bet that by any reasonable metric poverty and homelessness will fall and public service satisfaction will rise within three years of a Labour victory?
Make that two.There's only one person in here who likes to portray themselves as a posh boy.
Didn’t you once say that the voting age should be lifted to 21 as teenagers were too stupid?I came from a council estate and went to a failing comp and was only one of a handful who went to Uni.
My family all voted labour - oddly at 18 I could think for myself - unlike you it seems
It's not just about wealth, it's about how that gap is growing whilst things are the bottom are getting measurably worse.
Why doesn't anyone in the current Labour party want to tackle that?
If you're not talking about a fairer society and and a more equitable distribution of wealth and income that benefits everyone, then whatever you might want to claim, you're not of the left.
As for voting Labour, I'm sorry but not for me. And bear in mind I was a fully paid up party member, out there pushing leaflets through doors etc. etc.
If you want my vote then I need to believe you stand for something more than a slightly less worse version of the current lot. In fact, just standing for something would be a start.
If all you've got now is a choice between right-wing Tories with blue ties and centrist Tories with red ones, then whoever you vote for it could be said you're a Tory enabler.
I'm sure they'll get elected regardless, but I can't in good conscience vote for a party which believes the only way to solve our problems is further austerity.
Guess it's better than further managed declineIs any percentage improvement in those metrics going to be deemed a success given how bad things have got over the last 14 years in your opinion?
Because small improvements aren't good enough as far as I'm concerned. Of course people are entirely entitled to think they are but that seems crazy to me.
Is any percentage improvement in those metrics going to be deemed a success given how bad things have got over the last 14 years in your opinion?
Because small improvements aren't good enough as far as I'm concerned. Of course people are entirely entitled to think they are but that seems crazy to me.
Is any percentage improvement in those metrics going to be deemed a success given how bad things have got over the last 14 years in your opinion?
Because small improvements aren't good enough as far as I'm concerned. Of course people are entirely entitled to think they are but that seems crazy to me.
You’re just a sheep for being born in the tail end of the 20th century. If you were a truly free thinker you’d have been born into mass social housing just before a housing bubble.
It could be that everyone does have to pay a bit more, but to have that conversation without talking about redistribution is madness.
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I would say any improvement would be a success, yes.
14 years of neglect and decline is not going to be fixed overnight, as much as we would like it to be.
Mismanaged decline.Guess it's better than further managed decline
I don’t think any rational person would disagree but people have also got to be realistic. We live in a global world where it’s pretty much at peoples whim where they live/pay their taxes. That’s why the attached list should be commended to some extent as although they net income will be ridiculous, they’re choosing to pay that (look at the list of Brits that don’t !)
JK Rowling and Ed Sheeran estimated to be among UK's highest tax payers - BBC News
The 100 contributors, ranked by the Sunday Times, were judged to have paid £5.35bn in tax last year.www.bbc.co.uk
In this country the top 1% pay around 30% of total income tax. Top 10% pay around 60%. It’s a fine line though, have a look at what happened when Hollande tried to implement 75% wealth tax France and also what’s happening in Norway currently
Super-rich abandoning Norway at record rate as wealth tax rises slightly
Flood moving abroad has come as a shock and is costing tens of millions in lost tax receiptsamp.theguardian.com
France forced to drop 75% supertax after meagre returns
Hollande’s measure was meant to force wealthiest to help dig country out of economic crisis, but was accused of being anti-businessamp.theguardian.com
I personally think it’s disgusting that the super rich feel the need to avoid paying more tax but that’s the reality. If we want better public services it will be mainly middle and higher (not rich) income earners who will have to pay for it. Unless we suddenly get some global tax regimes implemented let’s have an honest debate about what we want as a country and what it will cost us
ps before you say it FP, I know we could just carry on printing more money to cover it
Don't you think it's odd that we can make radical changes for the worse quite rapidly, Brexit, Truss's budget etc, but improvements that benefit the majority of the country have to be gradual and done incrementally?
I voted for Clegg in 2010, or whenever it was, and still feel ashamed. Never have and never could vote Tory though.I'm feeling very much a minority around here in having never voted Tory!
And to think people like to claim this is a lefty area...
Globalisation without a proper global tax regime proper fucked things TBH. But the idea we can’t tax any wealth I don’t think is true. Most of it is property wealth and that’s pretty hard to hide in the Caymans. There’s lots of reform around land that could be done to start redressing that a bit. Even just proper housing policy would go a long way. Similarly some of the pension rules. Or just one off taxes on everything above a certain amount. Lots of ideas out there. All very hard politically though as the old “what about my gran in a £1m house on a state pension” gets wheeled out.
Don't you think it's odd that we can make radical changes for the worse quite rapidly, Brexit, Truss's budget etc, but improvements that benefit the majority of the country have to be gradual and done incrementally?
I voted for Clegg in 2010, or whenever it was, and still feel ashamed. Never have and never could vote Tory though.
I did a couple of Kennedy Lib Dem votes, but they were left of Labour in their tax and spend at the time!I voted for Clegg in 2010, or whenever it was, and still feel ashamed. Never have and never could vote Tory though.
Et tu, shmmeee!I voted Street for WM Mayor. Cos the Labour guy was shite and Street is fairly apolitical for a politician. That’s the only time I think.
If I put a sledgehammer to my laptop right now it would take a long time to be fixed.
I wish it wasn't the case, but very broken things are hard to put back together. Much easier to break them in the first place.
Globalisation without a proper global tax regime proper fucked things TBH. But the idea we can’t tax any wealth I don’t think is true. Most of it is property wealth and that’s pretty hard to hide in the Caymans. There’s lots of reform around land that could be done to start redressing that a bit. Even just proper housing policy would go a long way. Similarly some of the pension rules. Or just one off taxes on everything above a certain amount. Lots of ideas out there. All very hard politically though as the old “what about my gran in a £1m house on a state pension” gets wheeled out.
I say lets try it, let's do something that benefits all those people who have been absolutely rinsed for the last 14 years.
200k last year!I think a large problem isn’t just the gap but the demographics of that gap and the potential for people to move themselves up. Everyone’s plan is get on the housing ladder cos it’s hard to build in other ways, wages are low, startups are hard. If you can’t change that at least building enough houses so everyone has a shot is fair.
I voted Street for WM Mayor. Cos the Labour guy was shite and Street is fairly apolitical for a politician. That’s the only time I think.
Charity bet that by any reasonable metric poverty and homelessness will fall and public service satisfaction will rise within three years of a Labour victory?
I say lets try it, let's do something that benefits all those people who have been absolutely rinsed for the last 14 years.
I agree but the minute a Labour leader proposes something radical before an election out come the doctored pics of him in a Russian hat in the Mail/Express
And presto, the Tory/Tufton madness extends to 19 years
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