Grendel
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I have a naive question but... where the hell do you get an appropriate face mask from?!? PC World. Inappropriate ones you get from non-PC World
Ah you got me. I'm secretly a life long Tory voter.
Bring back are Boris!
If by default not voting for the Tories' main opposition means the Tories get in, then effectively you may as well have voted for them however.The objective of me voting is not to vote against the Tories - I am never going to vote for them so it's irrelevant to me if they are worse.
This site is interesting: UK Predictions
This the prediction for my constituency:
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I'm feeling very much a minority around here in having never voted Tory!Well
Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)
I have a naive question but... where the hell do you get an appropriate face mask from?!? PC World. Inappropriate ones you get from non-PC Worldwww.skybluestalk.co.uk
Well
Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)
I have a naive question but... where the hell do you get an appropriate face mask from?!? PC World. Inappropriate ones you get from non-PC Worldwww.skybluestalk.co.uk
It is fair to say that Edward Heath would have been called a raging lefty by a fair few on here!
I'm feeling very much a minority around here in having never voted Tory!
And to think people like to claim this is a lefty area...
She's not reactionary enough for a sizeable minority in her constituencyThat was before you had the opportunity to vote for Leadsom though
I have certainly never voted Tory nor for Brexit.I'm feeling very much a minority around here in having never voted Tory!
And to think people like to claim this is a lefty area...
Solidarity, comrade!I have certainly never voted Tory
And?
I voted Tory when I was 19 because I was a naive kid who knew nothing of the world and thought they were the good guys because that's what my dad told me.
and the name of my father? Jacob Rees Mogg
Thing is though, Starmer's leadership election was left enough for me. I understand having to ditch a couple of things too but, honestly, what remains?
Piss off.
Lighten up Tarquin
tbf, shmmeee does have a point that the current crop of insane Tories are worse than even a centre-right leaning Labour Party, so that's the point.
Also easier to influence from a position of power than on the margins, so better to start there really.
But I do agree it's frustrating. tbh Starmer's leadership campaign was about right for me - progressive, vaguely left policies dressed up in a respectable intelligent suit who'd shown he could argue well, and ditching the more wild areas of policy and rhetoric for electability. The thrall to focus groups is disappointing, as there has been an opportunity to lead the conversation that hasn't been taken. You'd think a manifesto has to say something about going forward as people do need to be inspired with a bit of hope - Johnson may be an incompetent womaniser, but he's always understood that you offer people promises of hope and things happening, and people vote for you!
Anyway, I reckon my seat will stay Tory regardless (UKIP always seemed to run strongly here too!) so I'll be voting Labour out of tokenism unless somebody really moves me from the margins - and no, it won't be Reform!
Say what you like about me, I don't really care, just stop bringing my family and my upbringing into it.
Nothing more privileged than being happy to carry on decimating public services and having poverty and homelessness rise so that you don’t have to sully your principles.
I thought Starmer's leadership manifesto was tacking pretty centrally tbh!The thing is until someone on the left produces an exemplar to follow to get elected that isn’t tacking to the centre, Labour politicians who want to get elected will use the only playbook that’s worked.
I thought Starmer's leadership manifesto was tacking pretty centrally tbh!
Where it currently is as defined by the parties, maybe.I think that says more about you than the centre of British politics.
Nothing more privileged than being happy to carry on decimating public services and having poverty and homelessness rise so that you don’t have to sully your principles.
Where it currently is as defined by the parties, maybe.
How are the cast iron fiscal rules going to repair public services or address poverty? Please do explain. At the moment the Conservative government runs a budget deficit and always has even with services cut to the bone - Labour is promising to cut that deficit to zero in five years. It has to address revenue spending and a massive capital backlog, how is it going to do it?
The guy who posted it is now a Tory, a conflicted Tory but he doesn’t want a left wing government so sorry Posh Boy there is no life raft there
Charity bet that by any reasonable metric poverty and homelessness will fall and public service satisfaction will rise within three years of a Labour victory?
Everyone will have to pay more and generally people don’t want to….like the uproar when the NIC was increased to supplement social care. We all want better services but someone else has to pay
Grendel is laughing because like FP the idea of measuring political ideology by results is scary to them. Much better to stay in the safety of internet comments where you can claim you’d have solved everything and everyone else is stupid and corrupt.
No I’m laughing about a socialist who started a thread on a football forum to explore if there was a loophole to escape paying higher rate tax.
My position on tax has always been the same: it’s the governments job to collect it. The idea socialists should pay more than legally required because of their beliefs about what tax legislation should be is some of your more weird bullshit.
The guy who posted it is now a Tory, a conflicted Tory but he doesn’t want a left wing government so sorry Posh Boy there is no life raft there
There's only one person in here who likes to portray themselves as a posh boy.
No - it was the legally required amount and you wanted to see if loopholes were available so you didn’t pay it. Classic Tory ideology. Just own what you now are. Your beliefs are in the dustbin.
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