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CCFCSteve

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,256
Sky Blue Pete said:
Why the hell is Yvette Cooper not leading the Labour Party
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She should certainly at least be in the shadow cabinet. Said before there’s too many decent politicians on the back benches of both major parties (and plenty of poor ones on the front benches !)
 

Grendel

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,257
CCFCSteve said:
She should certainly at least be in the shadow cabinet. Said before there’s too many decent politicians on the back benches of both major parties (and plenty of poor ones on the front benches !)
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I doubt most labour supporters on here wouldnt want her either
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,258
Grendel said:
She would never get the union vote
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True
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,259
Grendel said:
I doubt most labour supporters on here wouldnt want her either
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In a heartbeat. She’s so articulate and speaks with authority and seems to understand how the country works
 

Grendel

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,260
Sky Blue Pete said:
In a heartbeat. She’s so articulate and speaks with authority and seems to understand how the country works
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Bet a lot wouldnt - most look at her and see a Blairite who would ditch the left of the party
 

fernandopartridge

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,261
Sky Blue Pete said:
In a heartbeat. She’s so articulate and speaks with authority and seems to understand how the country works
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She's a good performer at committees but has very few other redeeming features
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,262
Grendel said:
Bet a lot wouldnt - most look at her and see a Blairite who would ditch the left of the party
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Probably. Still can’t put Ed balls and her together. Maybe they never see one another
 

Grendel

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,263
Sky Blue Pete said:
Probably. Still can’t put Ed balls and her together. Maybe they never see one another
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Another with similar political leanings
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,264
Grendel said:
Another with similar political leanings
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Yep can see that
 

Ian1779

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,265
Grendel said:
I doubt most labour supporters on here wouldnt want her either
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She infinitely more capable than some of the current shadow cabinet - but maybe she has found her niche at committee level. Good exposure for what she does with very little scrutiny.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,266
fernandopartridge said:
She's a good performer at committees but has very few other redeeming features
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I always think she comes across as a bit condescending (think it’s just her manner/way she is rather than necessarily intentional) but should be front bench when looking at some of the alternatives
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,267
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If only Keir had the balls to take policies like that and frame them from a right wing perspective
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With UBI, it’s an interesting idea.

I’d like to see more trials on a larger scale, but if you could cut all bureaucracy of means tested benefits and replace all other benefits with UBI... Maybe it could be a good and popular policy.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,268
Hancock is very angry this morning. Wow. And emboldened by his position. I’m trying to be balanced but he does piss me off

I can’t help thinking he makes it up as he goes along.

April 9th figures shown for Bangladesh Pakistan and India. India much worse

He then pulls a rabbit out to say the figure they used were the positivity rate of people coming into the uk. Where are these figures or have you just made that up and know it won’t be followed up or if it is it will be forgotten cause it’s easy to use hindsight to prove people wrong

So annoying
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,269
Sky Blue Pete said:
Hancock is very angry this morning. Wow. And emboldened by his position. I’m trying to be balanced but he does piss me off

I can’t help thinking he makes it up as he goes along.

April 9th figures shown for Bangladesh Pakistan and India. India much worse

He then pulls a rabbit out to say the figure they used were the positivity rate of people coming into the uk. Where are these figures or have you just made that up and know it won’t be followed up or if it is it will be forgotten cause it’s easy to use hindsight to prove people wrong

So annoying
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Another MP with a condescending manner...can’t watch him
 

Ian1779

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,270
Mucca Mad Boys said:
With UBI, it’s an interesting idea.

I’d like to see more trials on a larger scale, but if you could cut all bureaucracy of means tested benefits and replace all other benefits with UBI... Maybe it could be a good and popular policy.
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In theory Universal Credit could have been a simplification of the benefits system bringing them all together under one payment. But as usual it turned into a sham because it wasn’t done properly.
 
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shmmeee

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,271
Sky Blue Pete said:
Why the hell is Yvette Cooper not leading the Labour Party
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Has even less charisma than Starmer. She was terrible in the 2015 leadership campaign. Comes across as patronising and mummy and has literally no vision for the country other than shouting “high tech jobs”, which lost my vote as her answer to say care workers being underpaid was them to retrain as software devs or whatever.

Blair without the charisma basically.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,272
shmmeee said:
Has even less charisma than Starmer. She was terrible in the 2015 leadership campaign. Comes across as patronising and mummy and has literally no vision for the country other than shouting “high tech jobs”, which lost my vote as her answer to say care workers being underpaid was them to retrain as software devs or whatever.

Blair without the charisma basically.
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Well she performed very well this morning
 

shmmeee

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,273
Sky Blue Pete said:
Well she performed very well this morning
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Not a big game player I guess. That said all three of the candidates that lost to Corbyn have looked much better since.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,274
More virtue signalling and diversity quotas from the government, with some added patronising for people north of the Watford gap, I bet the usuals will lap it up:

 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,275
Sky Blue Pete said:
Hancock is very angry this morning. Wow. And emboldened by his position. I’m trying to be balanced but he does piss me off

I can’t help thinking he makes it up as he goes along.

April 9th figures shown for Bangladesh Pakistan and India. India much worse

He then pulls a rabbit out to say the figure they used were the positivity rate of people coming into the uk. Where are these figures or have you just made that up and know it won’t be followed up or if it is it will be forgotten cause it’s easy to use hindsight to prove people wrong

So annoying
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When challenged over the risk of lifting the restrictions he fell back on his fact that much of the population had received their first vac dose and that there was up to 97% efficacy, therefore the impact of the Indian variant would be much less than for the Kent variant over winter.

The latest study in the British Medical Journal, published last Thursday, shows that the Astra Zeneca vaccine, that many of us have had, in fact has between 80-85% efficiency depending on type.

If this becomes a third fuck up over the pandemic, it's going to damage them hard.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,276
dubed said:
When challenged over the risk of lifting the restrictions he fell back on his fact that much of the population had received their first vac dose and that there was up to 97% efficacy, therefore the impact of the Indian variant would be much less than for the Kent variant over winter.

The latest study in the British Medical Journal, published last Thursday, shows that the Astra Zeneca vaccine, that many of us have had, in fact has between 80-85% efficiency depending on type.

If this becomes a third fuck up over the pandemic, it's going to damage them hard.
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It won’t. None of the other fuck ups make a difference as the lapdogs come out in force to defend them. Going to an indoor restaurant to enjoy that while it lasts and until he cancels my wedding
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,277
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It won’t. None of the other fuck ups make a difference as the lapdogs come out in force to defend them.
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I think quite some grace was given to them for being slow off the mark on the first round, and I have no confidence whatsoever that a government of different colour might have done things differently. I think the second event crept up on even the experts but then, when it had hit all it the face, Boris decided to sacrifice bodies rather than be accused of cancelling Christmas. This time round they are firmly in receipt of the advice in a timey way but it's clear that they are set on a course that protects the economy above the widespread impact it will have on health. I do think that if this turns out badly they will be significantly damaged.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,278
dubed said:
I think quite some grace was given to them for being slow off the mark on the first round, and I have no confidence whatsoever that a government of different colour might have done things differently. I think the second event crept up on even the experts but then, when it had hit all it the face, Boris decided to sacrifice bodies rather than be accused of cancelling Christmas. This time round they are firmly in receipt of the advice in a timey way but it's clear that they are set on a course that protects the economy above the widespread impact it will have on health. I do think that if this turns out badly they will be significantly damaged.
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Assuming I still get married in mid July every guest over 18 will have been jabbed and at least half will have had two. I’m sorry, how much longer must we continue denying people experiences particularly as the proportion remaining unvaccinated are those at the lowest risk of serious illness?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,279
dubed said:
When challenged over the risk of lifting the restrictions he fell back on his fact that much of the population had received their first vac dose and that there was up to 97% efficacy, therefore the impact of the Indian variant would be much less than for the Kent variant over winter.

The latest study in the British Medical Journal, published last Thursday, shows that the Astra Zeneca vaccine, that many of us have had, in fact has between 80-85% efficiency depending on type.

If this becomes a third fuck up over the pandemic, it's going to damage them hard.
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No they are Teflon
 
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  • May 16, 2021
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Assuming I still get married in mid July every guest over 18 will have been jabbed and at least half will have had two. I’m sorry, how much longer must we continue denying people experiences particularly as the proportion remaining unvaccinated are those at the lowest risk of serious illness?
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I guess it's the number of deaths you deem acceptable in order for you to enjoy a shindig? Dunno, one thousand, maybe?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,281
dubed said:
I guess it's the number of deaths you deem acceptable in order for you to enjoy a shindig? Dunno, one thousand, maybe?
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Ridiculous
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,282
Sky Blue Pete said:
Well she performed very well this morning
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She is also projected to lose her seat at this rate.

A poll conducted either just before or after the council elections projects the Tories would win a 123 seat majority. The SNP would also win all but one seat north of the border too.

People like Ed Miliband and Yvette Cooper would lose their seats.
 
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  • May 16, 2021
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Ridiculous
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Ok, so just 500 perhaps?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,284
dubed said:
Ok, so just 500 perhaps?
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20,000 went to a game of football yesterday. Why don’t you go and guilt trip everyone who went rather than someone who wants 40 people at a wedding?
 
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wingy

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,285
dubed said:
I think quite some grace was given to them for being slow off the mark on the first round, and I have no confidence whatsoever that a government of different colour might have done things differently. I think the second event crept up on even the experts but then, when it had hit all it the face, Boris decided to sacrifice bodies rather than be accused of cancelling Christmas. This time round they are firmly in receipt of the advice in a timey way but it's clear that they are set on a course that protects the economy above the widespread impact it will have on health. I do think that if this turns out badly they will be significantly damaged.
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I personally think that Brexits protraction coupled to a rare Winter election didn't help as a more established in situ govt would have been more alert /reactive to the impending onslaught.
Followed by appalling foreign office /transport dept travel advice/restrictions
On the winter surge I have to hold the pm responsible for not taking the scientific advice ,coming up with his own tiers) levels across the country, followed by Christmas mixing..
Still travel restrictions are ad-hoc and full of loopholes.
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,286
Brighton Sky Blue said:
20,000 went to a game of football yesterday. Why don’t you go and guilt trip everyone who went rather than someone who wants 40 people at a wedding?
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I think I was challenging what appeared to me to be somewhat contradictory, or perhaps more fairly, contrasting positions, that the government wouldn't be blamed for 'another fuck up' whilst at the same time you would be quite relaxed about that given your plans. Let's just move on
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,287
dubed said:
I think I was challenging what appeared to me to be somewhat contradictory, or perhaps more fairly, contrasting positions, that the government wouldn't be blamed for 'another fuck up' whilst at the same time you would be quite relaxed about that given your plans. Let's just move on
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I am talking about in 2 months time, at an event where every adult has been vaccinated and a large % double jabbed. You then make a sarcie comment about 'how many are you happy to die'. Real prick move that mate. Maybe come over here and try guilt tripping the missus for wanting it as well?
 

Grendel

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,288
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I am talking about in 2 months time, at an event where every adult has been vaccinated and a large % double jabbed. You then make a sarcie comment about 'how many are you happy to die'. Real prick move that mate. Maybe come over here and try guilt tripping the missus for wanting it as well?
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Bit of an over reaction
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,289
Grendel said:
Bit of an over reaction
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Hardly. If the reply to 'I would like to have a small wedding' is 'Are you OK with 1,000 deaths' that's just being a prick.

It's been OK for me to be in classrooms all this time
 
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  • May 16, 2021
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
I am talking about in 2 months time, at an event where every adult has been vaccinated and a large % double jabbed. You then make a sarcie comment about 'how many are you happy to die'. Real prick move that mate. Maybe come over here and try guilt tripping the missus for wanting it as well?
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I think you over-reacting a wee bit, but then you do have a tendency to that.
 
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