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SBT

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  • Jan 25, 2024
  • #32,971
Results like that would make a Reform Party reverse takeover of the Tories seem more likely to me. Farage seems like a far better representation of the Tory base than any of the current crop of senior Conservatives and the party seems ripe for a hard reset. Just a case of getting him a seat.
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 25, 2024
  • #32,972
SBT said:
Results like that would make a Reform Party reverse takeover of the Tories seem more likely to me. Farage seems like a far better representation of the Tory base than any of the current crop of senior Conservatives and the party seems ripe for a hard reset. Just a case of getting him a seat.
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The pressure will be on for some sort of Tory reform alliance with Farage running the show. Even on that poll it wouldn’t take a huge swing to prevent a labour majority
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 25, 2024
  • #32,973
SBT said:
Results like that would make a Reform Party reverse takeover of the Tories seem more likely to me. Farage seems like a far better representation of the Tory base than any of the current crop of senior Conservatives and the party seems ripe for a hard reset. Just a case of getting him a seat.
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I didn't realise that theres a massive rump of the anti sunak right that don't want farage.
They are so fractured it's incredible
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 25, 2024
  • #32,974
clint van damme said:
I didn't realise that theres a massive rump of the anti sunak right that don't want farage.
They are so fractured it's incredible
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Is it that big? I’ve seen polls that say 70% of Tory voters would back him. Party leadership is on board and he seems keen - Badenoch is the only other viable candidate to my mind (which would be a classic ‘glass cliff’ appointment if it comes after the next election) but Farage running the party one day seems inevitable.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 25, 2024
  • #32,975
clint van damme said:
While I understand the concerns about Bidens health I can't understand why more isn't made of Trumps. He's a mess.
I agree, neither should be running but as NW said, the alternatives aren't great.
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Yeah, just to be clear, whilst I’m no real fan of Biden I’d have him as president any day over trump (who’s a narcissist nutter)

SBT said:
While neither candidate is popular with the general public, “democracy is dead” isn’t entirely fair given that both Biden and Trump are breezing through their respective party’s primaries. It’s not like either are unelected.

The odds of either Biden or Trump dying in office seem very slim to me. Trump’s the only one who came close!
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Fair point that there are candidates however, Trump is now against one person who will probably drop out soon and Biden is against two, both of whom will probably drop out in the very near future. Both parties appear to have some kind of death wish
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 25, 2024
  • #32,976
wingy said:
Is he?
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Grendel said:
The pressure will be on for some sort of Tory reform alliance with Farage running the show. Even on that poll it wouldn’t take a huge swing to prevent a labour majority
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Philosoraptor

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  • Jan 25, 2024
  • #32,977
When will Labour's longlist for Coventry East be released?

Got to be a laugh....
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 25, 2024
  • #32,978
Philosorapter said:
When will Labour's longlist for Coventry East be released?

Got to be a laugh....
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Tony will be on it I hope
 
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  • Jan 25, 2024
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Sky Blue Pete said:
Tony will be on it I hope
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Blair? Benn? 76?
 
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SkyBlueSoul

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  • Jan 25, 2024
  • #32,980
Can see her popularity going up after this tbf

 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 25, 2024
  • #32,981
SkyBlueSoul said:
Can see her popularity going up after this tbf

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Gone up in my opinion
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 25, 2024
  • #32,982
SkyBlueSoul said:
Can see her popularity going up after this tbf

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Shitler
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 25, 2024
  • #32,983
None of you watch The Thick of It then?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 27, 2024
  • #32,984
she's got no vision whatsoever. The massive private credit expansion of the early 00s ended well.



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SBT

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  • Jan 27, 2024
  • #32,985
Found this a really interesting read - curious to hear why people think this is the case

 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jan 27, 2024
  • #32,986
fernandopartridge said:
she's got no vision whatsoever. The massive private credit expansion of the early 00s ended well.



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Pandering to the economic right for votes again.

Vague what she means, but if it involves deregulation we're in for a few years of stupidly high growth which will almost solely benefit the rich and wealthy following by a decade of pain and misery mostly affecting the poor and vulnerable when it all goes to shit.

When are we going to learn to move on from financial services? It's nothing more than a glorified betting shop where the futures of millions are decided by the whims of a handful of people on things that largely don't actually exist.
 
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JAM See

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  • Jan 27, 2024
  • #32,987
SBT said:
Found this a really interesting read - curious to hear why people think this is the case

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Let me mansplain...
...The birds are fed up of geezers running the world and it's getting on their tits.

The Doris's are obviously wrong, but it's the inevitable consequence of gender suffrage.
 

stupot07

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  • Jan 28, 2024
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SBT

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  • Jan 28, 2024
  • #32,989


Amazing to me that people still think focus groups can/should be the starting point for political debate in this country
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 28, 2024
  • #32,990
SBT said:
Found this a really interesting read - curious to hear why people think this is the case

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If I had to guess, the wide popularity among that demographic of right wing grifters on ‘socials’
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 28, 2024
  • #32,991
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If I had to guess, the wide popularity among that demographic of right wing grifters on ‘socials’
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Crisis of masculinity in a white collar world, where women have better options including no man at all.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 28, 2024
  • #32,992
shmmeee said:
Crisis of masculinity in a white collar world, where women have better options including no man at all.
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Andrew Tate was genuinely idolised by more than a few boys I taught last year.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 31, 2024
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Seems the Labour Party's policy on private schools will really break some people

 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 31, 2024
  • #32,994

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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 31, 2024
  • #32,995
Stephen Flynn of the SNP going to town on Labour supporting that policy.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 1, 2024
  • #32,996
Adults back in charge


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shmmeee

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  • Feb 1, 2024
  • #32,997
Why are we capping child benefit during a birth rate crisis?
 
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wingy

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  • Feb 1, 2024
  • #32,998
shmmeee said:
Why are we capping child benefit during a birth rate crisis?
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Don't know about that population projected to be 73M in 5yrs.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 1, 2024
  • #32,999
wingy said:
Don't know about that population projected to be 73M in 5yrs.
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It's at its lowest rate since the 50s. That's just the population level average, the rates will differ across ethnicity.

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CCFCSteve

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  • Feb 1, 2024
  • #33,000
fernandopartridge said:
Adults back in charge


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To be fair, he’s right, they’re totally different. One will probably generate additional revenue for the treasury (income tax on higher bonuses) and one will cost it more

I take shmmeees point that when there’s a birth rate problem government should be looking at ways to address this. I’ve said a million times before so people are probably getting bored of me saying it, but letting in 500k/600k net migration per annum when there’s already housing shortage and stretch on public services is not helping many things, including encouraging people to have kids. The other main reason will be the availability of affordable child care.

These are where the focus should be rather than chucking people on a decent salary an extra £15-20 per week. It’s pretty irrelevant if there’s inadequate housing supply and affordable child care places available.

edit - one change to child benefit that would make sense is focussing on total household income rather than individuals and maybe tweak eligibility earning level accordingly (this should also have increased to reflect recent inflation)
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 1, 2024
  • #33,001
CCFCSteve said:
To be fair, he’s right, they’re totally different. One will probably generate additional revenue for the treasury (income tax on higher bonuses) and one will cost it more

I take shmmeees point that when there’s a birth rate problem government should be looking at ways to address this. I’ve said a million times before so people are probably getting bored of me saying it, but letting in 500k/600k net migration per annum when there’s already housing shortage and stretch on public services is not helping many things, including encouraging people to have kids. The other main reason will be the availability of affordable child care.

These are where the focus should be rather than chucking people on a decent salary an extra £15-20 per week. It’s pretty irrelevant if there’s inadequate housing supply and affordable child care places available.
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The government's budget and a household budget are not the same.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Feb 1, 2024
  • #33,002
fernandopartridge said:
The government's budget and a household budget are not the same.
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Not sure I understand, I didn’t suggest they were.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 1, 2024
  • #33,003
CCFCSteve said:
Not sure I understand, I didn’t suggest they were.
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You did with the raising revenue nonsense

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fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 1, 2024
  • #33,004
Who's this bloke?


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fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 1, 2024
  • #33,005
Oh


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