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David O'Day

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  • Nov 20, 2023
  • #31,956
eat out to kill your grandparents
 

skybluetony176

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  • Nov 20, 2023
  • #31,957
CCFCSteve said:
It was the time when we also desperately needed an intelligent and focussed health secretary to absorb the science and be able to communicate it clearly and concisely to a PM with a minute attention span

The Johnson/Hancock double act really was as bad as it could get in a health emergency
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Absolutely and MHancock was shown up today also for being as thick as pig shit. The only difference between the two is there’s never been people queuing up to tell you how intelligent MHancock is and its all an act.
 
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PVA

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  • Nov 20, 2023
  • #31,958
clint van damme said:
Having listened to a fair bit of it plus a lengthy analysis I'm not sure it's as damning of Johnson as some are making out.
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Oh I don't know. Some of it is surprisingly not too bad as you say, but the bad stuff is really bad.

He seemed quite keen for the entire elderly population to die off from the bits I read.
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 20, 2023
  • #31,959
PVA said:
Oh I don't know. Some of it is surprisingly not too bad as you say, but the bad stuff is really bad.

He seemed quite keen for the entire elderly population to die off from the bits I read.
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Yeah, agreed. But I think we already knew all the bad stuff. I don't think there's anything really new in there as some of the media were making out.
 
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SBT

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  • Nov 20, 2023
  • #31,960
clint van damme said:
Having listened to a fair bit of it plus a lengthy analysis I'm not sure it's as damning of Johnson as some are making out.

I think Hancock and Sunak come out far worse.
None of this alters the fact that Johnson is a useless, lazy twat.
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Vallance was saying that Boris would demand to “let it rip” one day, and then demand zero deaths the next. He sounds like a totally bizarre person with no interest in actually making a decision.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Nov 20, 2023
  • #31,961
CCFCSteve said:
It was the time when we also desperately needed an intelligent and focussed health secretary to absorb the science and be able to communicate it clearly and concisely to a PM with a minute attention span

The Johnson/Hancock double act really was as bad as it could get in a health emergency
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Well you'd think so but then you remember some of the proper right wing nutters in that party who have made it a lot worse. Some would have actively tried to break the NHS so they could demolish it and sell it to private enterprise, and would have kept everything open longer because money is all that matters. Others who'd have said everyone not going to work was just lazy and workshy so why should the govt provide things like furlough. Braverman would probably have described having covid as a 'lifestyle choice'.

It was an absolute shitshow run overseen by people who are stupid, lazy and arrogant, but there are others within that ruling party who would have made the situation almost infinitely worse.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 20, 2023
  • #31,962
I see Vallance was unhappy at how few scientific civil servants there were. Worth noting I was declined for roles in scientific policy but people with no scientific background were hired for them.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 20, 2023
  • #31,963
Hunt, rhymes with…

 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 20, 2023
  • #31,964
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I see Vallance was unhappy at how few scientific civil servants there were. Worth noting I was declined for roles in scientific policy but people with no scientific background were hired for them.
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The main criteria for getting some civil service jobs seems to be understanding all the governance / machinery rather than content knowledge.

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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 20, 2023
  • #31,965
The under 60s have spoken


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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 20, 2023
  • #31,966
CCFCSteve said:
There ain’t no wealth. The country’s economy has been a shitshow for decades by all accounts. Running massive deficits, printing more money to cover deficits and therefore causing runaway inflation/ debasement of currency…and in turn raising interest rates to crazy levels to try to suppress inflation. All this leading to poverty levels of 40%.

I’d imagine the population is desperate and they need massive structural change to sort the mess out by the sounds of it….not sure whether this nutter will deliver it though (not sure he can do much worse by looks of it)

Edit - and people wonder why increasing numbers of people, especially in countries with ridiculous inflation, look at options like bitcoin
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There are always natural resources

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  • Nov 20, 2023
  • #31,967
SBT said:
He sounds like a totally bizarre person with no interest in actually making a decision.
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I see CvD's point that that's hardly news, though!
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 20, 2023
  • #31,968
fernandopartridge said:
The under 60s have spoken


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Philosoraptor

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  • Nov 21, 2023
  • #31,969
Disappointing Chris Witty hasn't managed to get a slide out yet with giving his evidence...
 
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PVA

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  • Nov 21, 2023
  • #31,970

Reasonable for protesters to call Iain Duncan Smith ‘Tory scum’, court rules​

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Reasonable for protesters to call Iain Duncan Smith ‘Tory scum’, court rules

High court rejects attempt to overturn acquittal of two protesters who made remarks outside 2021 Tory conference
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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 21, 2023
  • #31,971
I read the second accused name as Radical Islam at first

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David O'Day

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  • Nov 22, 2023
  • #31,972
So the Autumn statement was a big meh for everyone really, anything positive eaten up by the refusal to increase thresholds.
 
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PVA

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  • Nov 22, 2023
  • #31,973
Oh dear

Home secretary described Stockton-on-Tees as ‘shit-hole’, MP claims

Alex Cunningham, MP for Stockton North, claims James Cleverly made comment during Wednesday’s PMQs
www.theguardian.com


 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Nov 22, 2023
  • #31,974
David O'Day said:
So the Autumn statement was a big meh for everyone really, anything positive eaten up by the refusal to increase thresholds.
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There was some decent stuff in there but as you say they should’ve just increased thresholds. Increasing initial personal allowance to £15k would’ve been a headline grabber for starters. Not sure why they did the NI change instead and not heard any commentary on the reasons either ?

Dont think it will shift the dial much, if at all, in the polls. The Tories are done even if Sunak and Hunt have taken a pretty sensible approach to a majority of economic matters in past 12 months
 

David O'Day

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  • Nov 22, 2023
  • #31,975
CCFCSteve said:
There was some decent stuff in there but as you say they should’ve just increased thresholds. Increasing initial personal allowance to £15k would’ve been a headline grabber for starters. Not sure why they did the NI change instead and not heard any commentary on the reasons either ?

Dont think it will shift the dial much, if at all, in the polls. The Tories are done even if Sunak and Hunt have taken a pretty sensible approach to a majority of economic matters in past 12 months
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what point is "decent stuff" if it doesn't make a difference to people?

the ni change is both for employee and employer contribution so a nice way of giving their business mates a tax cut while lawing the savings the employees make else where

when the news is run on the bbc like this it isn't good news for the tories

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 22, 2023
  • #31,976
David O'Day said:
what point is "decent stuff" if it doesn't make a difference to people?

the ni change is both for employee and employer contribution so a nice way of giving their business mates a tax cut while lawing the savings the employees make else where

when the news is run on the bbc like this it isn't good news for the tories

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How is it possible for us to end up with a ‘left’ wing tax policy but right wing spending?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Nov 22, 2023
  • #31,977
David O'Day said:
what point is "decent stuff" if it doesn't make a difference to people?

the ni change is both for employee and employer contribution so a nice way of giving their business mates a tax cut while lawing the savings the employees make else where

when the news is run on the bbc like this it isn't good news for the tories

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I might be wrong as I’ve only looked at some of the headline announcements but didn’t think there was any change to employers contributions
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 22, 2023
  • #31,978
Sometimes I quite like Ken Clarke, then I listen to interviews like the one on R4 this evening and remember why he’s a Tory. Just completely switching and waffling utter nonsense that wasn’t even consistent with itself to try and prove Sunak and Hunt are Very Serious Politicians who would never play games with the countries finances, before basically being forced to admit that’s exactly what they’re doing but this is different cos reasons and anyway who remembers Thatcher??
 

skybluetony176

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  • Nov 22, 2023
  • #31,979
It was a bit of a pointless budget past the headlines. People’s expendable incomes are going to continue to be squeezed and that’s what really matters to people. It will be forgotten about tomorrow when the rise of the energy price cap is announced. Circa 5% rise for the next quarter is what the smart money is on, apparently.
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 22, 2023
  • #31,980
I'd love to have the confidence to stand up and spout absolute bollocks to the whole nation with not one fuck given like Hunt did today.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 22, 2023
  • #31,981
skybluetony176 said:
It was a bit of a pointless budget past the headlines. People’s expendable incomes are going to continue to be squeezed and that’s what really matters to people. It will be forgotten about tomorrow when the rise of the energy price cap is announced. Circa 5% rise for the next quarter is what the smart money is on, apparently.
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Price rise just ahead of the demand peak

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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 22, 2023
  • #31,982
shmmeee said:
Sometimes I quite like Ken Clarke, then I listen to interviews like the one on R4 this evening and remember why he’s a Tory. Just completely switching and waffling utter nonsense that wasn’t even consistent with itself to try and prove Sunak and Hunt are Very Serious Politicians who would never play games with the countries finances, before basically being forced to admit that’s exactly what they’re doing but this is different cos reasons and anyway who remembers Thatcher??
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He's a wanker same as Rory Stewart

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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 22, 2023
  • #31,983
fernandopartridge said:
He's a wanker same as Rory Stewart

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Why is Rory Stewart a wanker
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 22, 2023
  • #31,984
Sky Blue Pete said:
Why is Rory Stewart a wanker
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Because he bangs the drum for austerity?
I personally find him an interesting listen but when you advocate austerity you're automatically a wrong un, that's the rules.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 22, 2023
  • #31,985
clint van damme said:
I'd love to have the confidence to stand up and spout absolute bollocks to the whole nation with not one fuck given like Hunt did today.
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This government is the equivalent of a cat that’s started pissing on the floor
 

Terry_dactyl

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  • Nov 22, 2023
  • #31,986
Sky Blue Pete said:
Why is Rory Stewart a wanker
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His upbringing?
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 22, 2023
  • #31,987
Sky Blue Pete said:
Why is Rory Stewart a wanker
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Look at his voting record compared to the image he tries to project

Voting record - Rory Stewart, former MP, Penrith and The Border

See how Rory Stewart voted on topics like Employment, Social Issues, Foreign Policy, and more.
www.theyworkforyou.com

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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 22, 2023
  • #31,988
fernandopartridge said:
Look at his voting record compared to the image he tries to project

Voting record - Rory Stewart, former MP, Penrith and The Border

See how Rory Stewart voted on topics like Employment, Social Issues, Foreign Policy, and more.
www.theyworkforyou.com

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Thanks for that
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 22, 2023
  • #31,989
Sky Blue Pete said:
Why is Rory Stewart a wanker
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Hes a freak and a weirdo
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 22, 2023
  • #31,990
Grendel said:
Hes a freak and a weirdo
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To be fair he's a decent listen on Middle East events given his background.
 
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