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wingy

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,851
PVA said:


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Backs up doesn't it?
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,852
wingy said:
Backs up doesn't it?
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Sure they had the heads up, but I think otherwise personally?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,853
It’s inevitable that they’ll include leaving the ECHR in their manifesto now.
 
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eastwoodsdustman

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,854
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Doesn’t Starmer also just refuse to give any decisive opinion in his interviews?
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A trick learned from Tony Blair. He did it to get into power in the 90's.
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,855
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Doesn’t Starmer also just refuse to give any decisive opinion in his interviews?
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Starmer has repeatedly called Hamas terrorists. That’s why there aren’t any viral videos to be had asking him that question. Instead you ask him what a woman is.
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,856
wingy said:
Sure they had the heads up, but I think otherwise personally?
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It’s an inevitable decision which will lead to ECHR being a target and the rhetoric the law is denying an ejected government to decide its own legislation
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,857
shmmeee said:
Or a drop as people switch to RefUK
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Quite possible but I’m thinking that some centre right Tory voters might be wooed back. To his credit I think Sunak understands that the culture war bollocks isn’t working, unless you want a load of gammons fighting police to disrupt proceedings at the cenotaph. Bringing in Cameron is a clear shift back towards the centre ground which with the exception of 2019 is where the Tories perform best. My gut feeling is that the Tories will claw more back than they lose. The only question is will it be in key battlegrounds. I suspect vote’s going to Reform or another far right will be enough for Labour to win in the red wall.
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,858
Grendel said:
It’s an inevitable decision which will lead to ECHR being a target and the rhetoric the law is denying an ejected government to decide its own legislation
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I wish
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,859
PVA said:


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Maybe this will make the government look for a genuine solution rather than throwing red meat around.
 
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SBT

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,860
shmmeee said:
Wonder if there was some heads up on that and that’s why Braverman went really.
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I don’t know about a heads up, but Braverman’s letter to Sunak (and her general behaviour for the past month) suggests the writing has been on the wall for some time
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,861
skybluetony176 said:
Quite possible but I’m thinking that some centre right Tory voters might be wooed back. To his credit I think Sunak understands that the culture war bollocks isn’t working, unless you want a load of gammons fighting police to disrupt proceedings at the cenotaph. Bringing in Cameron is a clear shift back towards the centre ground which with the exception of 2019 is where the Tories perform best. My gut feeling is that the Tories will claw more back than they lose. The only question is will it be in key battlegrounds. I suspect vote’s going to Reform or another far right will be enough for Labour to win in the red wall.
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They’ll definitely rebound from where they are now. I’m just not sure they can convincingly play moderates to the public after the last few years. But who knows, people tend to tune out between elections.
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,862
Grendel said:
It’s an inevitable decision which will lead to ECHR being a target and the rhetoric the law is denying an ejected government to decide its own legislation
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Do you mean elected,more of it in some form then?
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,863
wingy said:
Do you mean elected,more of it in some form then?
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lol yes perhaps a Freudian slip

let’s be honest - a lot of Red wall voters who deserted labour did so because of immigration and Brexit. So this is a feeble attempt to prevent those returning to labour at the next election.
 
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PVA

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,864
skybluetony176 said:
Maybe this will make the government look for a genuine solution rather than throwing red meat around.
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The right will be absolutely frothing over this and the government will of course continue to whip it up.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,865
We should probably point out that the government has already spanked £140M on this folly. Maybe it would have been a good idea to sort the legality out first? Already rumours that the government is now trying to look for another country to partner up with so it looks like they plan to do the same thing expecting different results.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,866
PVA said:
The right will be absolutely frothing over this and the government will of course continue to whip it up.
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And they will whip it up as that is the only hole they have for retaining red wall voters
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,867
Grendel said:
It’s an inevitable decision which will lead to ECHR being a target and the rhetoric the law is denying an ejected government to decide its own legislation
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The court found that the Rwanda plan was in breach of domestically originated legislation
 

skybluetony176

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,868
fernandopartridge said:
The court found that the Rwanda plan was in breach of domestically originated legislation
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You’re employing critical thinking and facts. You’re not their target audience.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,869
According to Andrea Jenkyns half a dozen MP’s are putting letters of no confidence in today. Assuming non of the reported earlier in year 25 letters haven’t been withdrawn they’re scrapping just over 30 letters, well short.
 

David O'Day

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,870
skybluetony176 said:
Quite possible but I’m thinking that some centre right Tory voters might be wooed back. To his credit I think Sunak understands that the culture war bollocks isn’t working, unless you want a load of gammons fighting police to disrupt proceedings at the cenotaph. Bringing in Cameron is a clear shift back towards the centre ground which with the exception of 2019 is where the Tories perform best. My gut feeling is that the Tories will claw more back than they lose. The only question is will it be in key battlegrounds. I suspect vote’s going to Reform or another far right will be enough for Labour to win in the red wall.
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bringing cameron is as you say a clear attempt to shift back to the centre and it's pretty much they are giving up on the red wall and are trying to limit the level of defeat by looking to defend the blue wall by bringing back the more liberal tories that live there from the lib dems
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,871
shmmeee said:
Starmer has repeatedly called Hamas terrorists. That’s why there aren’t any viral videos to be had asking him that question. Instead you ask him what a woman is.
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Or you ask him about strikes.
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,872
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Or you ask him about strikes.
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Exactly. If you’ve got a topic that can elicit a viral response from a politician you push it. And while Starmer blusters and bothers, Corbyn gets angry and aggressive and more importantly the range of topics on which he does so is far wider and more controversial than Starmer’s.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,873
Apart from 1 brief mention of the ECHR Sunak seems to be admitting it is uk legislation that led the SC to it's decision.

A big more centrist push aimed at the blue wall?
 

duffer

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,874
skybluetony176 said:
We should probably point out that the government has already spanked £140M on this folly. Maybe it would have been a good idea to sort the legality out first? Already rumours that the government is now trying to look for another country to partner up with so it looks like they plan to do the same thing expecting different results.
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It's time to play the, "Let's find a country in the world that we haven't pissed off at some point in the last few centuries" game. It's a fairly short list.

Failing that we just need to find a country with a government as corrupt and incompetent as our own, and chuck their PM/President a large brown envelope. Given our current government, that's a pretty short list too.
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,875
duffer said:
It's time to play the, "Let's find a country in the world that we haven't pissed off at some point in the last few centuries" game. It's a fairly short list.

Failing that we just need to find a country with a government as corrupt and incompetent as our own, and chuck their PM/President a large brown envelope. Given our current government, that's a pretty short list too.
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Wasn’t Rwanda the latter?
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,876
duffer said:
It's time to play the, "Let's find a country in the world that we haven't pissed off at some point in the last few centuries" game. It's a fairly short list.

Failing that we just need to find a country with a government as corrupt and incompetent as our own, and chuck their PM/President a large brown envelope. Given our current government, that's a pretty short list too.
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Ukraine?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,877
skybluetony176 said:
We should probably point out that the government has already spanked £140M on this folly. Maybe it would have been a good idea to sort the legality out first? Already rumours that the government is now trying to look for another country to partner up with so it looks like they plan to do the same thing expecting different results.
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Would’ve made sense to get the legalities sorted first wouldnt it ! Absolute waste of money so far. Sure I’ve heard/read recently that we’re not the only European country looking into this type of solution…maybe everyone’s going to have to leave the ECHR

Be interested to see how Sunak proceeds and whether post braverman he dials things down a little.
 

David O'Day

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,878
CCFCSteve said:
Would’ve made sense to get the legalities sorted first wouldnt it ! Absolute waste of money so far. Sure I’ve heard/read recently that we’re not the only European country looking into this type of solution…maybe everyone’s going to have to leave the ECHR

Be interested to see how Sunak proceeds and whether post braverman he dials things down a little.
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he seemed more sensible in PMQs about this
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,879
They'll be waved in eventually,new stock,herd whatever you call it .
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,880
shmmeee said:
Exactly. If you’ve got a topic that can elicit a viral response from a politician you push it. And while Starmer blusters and bothers, Corbyn gets angry and aggressive and more importantly the range of topics on which he does so is far wider and more controversial than Starmer’s.
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You have to admire Corbyn's passion though, he actually seems to genuinely care, unlike most other politicians.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,881
shmmeee said:
Exactly. If you’ve got a topic that can elicit a viral response from a politician you push it. And while Starmer blusters and bothers, Corbyn gets angry and aggressive and more importantly the range of topics on which he does so is far wider and more controversial than Starmer’s.
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I'd be angry if, while a genocide is taking place, my interviewer was speaking to me solely for a "Corbyn loves terrorists lol" gotcha. It's really a sign of the moral cesspit the media is that the c**t is still prominent.

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  • Nov 15, 2023
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CCFCSteve said:
Would’ve made sense to get the legalities sorted first wouldnt it !
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That still wouldn't have sorted the moralities of course.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,883
When will this party stop embarrassing the country?
 

David O'Day

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,884
Brighton Sky Blue said:
When will this party stop embarrassing the country?
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he had no clue what his next step was if that presser was anything to go on

looks beaten
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 15, 2023
  • #31,885
David O'Day said:
he had no clue what his next step was if that presser was anything to go on

looks beaten
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Just trying to feather his nest for when they get turned out. The problem is this zombie government is causing harm each day it carries on and is just making their impending defeat heavier the longer it drags out.
 
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