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shmmeee

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  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #31,466
Grendel said:
Oh come on. The media landscape if it’s that biased will oppose Starmer anyway

He’s really just Cameron mK2 - someone will really no interest in politics and just there to get the job and make money afterwards

Whatever you think of Blair and brown they were politicians to be admired for some conviction and drive

Every indicator is that the tories will digger a huge defeat - yet Starmer seems to just align to Tory type politics. He’s a very poor leader.
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I didn’t say biased. I said difficult. Blair in 97 had no 24hr news let alone social media. Image management in 2023 is a minefield.
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #31,467
shmmeee said:
I didn’t say biased. I said difficult. Blair in 97 had no 24hr news let alone social media. Image management in 2023 is a minefield.
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I think Blair would have achieved it in 2023 - Corbyn managed 42% share in his first election - it was only the implosion of the Lib Dems and the FPP system that saved May
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #31,468
Grendel said:
I think Blair would have achieved it in 2023 - Corbyn managed 42% share in his first election - it was only the implosion of the Lib Dems and the FPP system that saved May
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I think he would too, but he’d have found image management a lot harder and probably wouldn’t have been able to project as easily. But also, as I said, he was a better politician.
 

clint van damme

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  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #31,469
fernandopartridge said:
How can you be simultaneously convinced of your unassailable poll lead yet terrified of the opposition

Labour to omit funding of social care reform from manifesto and scale back Lords plans

Dismay as key proposals are downsized in order to make election offer to voters ‘bombproof’
www.theguardian.com

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I realise it's not why theyve done this but I have no problem with putting this on hold.
This is such a huge issue we can't keep ripping up social care policy everytime we change government and starting again.

We need something coherent and long term so it needs to be cross party, not that that did HS2 much good.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #31,470
clint van damme said:
I realise it's not why theyve done this but I have no problem with putting this on hold.
This is such a huge issue we can't keep ripping up social care policy everytime we change government and starting again.

We need something coherent and long term so it needs to be cross party, not that that did HS2 much good.
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There isn't a social care policy, it's literally just left to the market as it has been forever. You can't address some of the problems in the health service without addressing social care. It'll cost more in the long run not to do anything about it.

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clint van damme

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  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #31,471
fernandopartridge said:
There isn't a social care policy, it's literally just left to the market as it has been forever. You can't address some of the problems in the health service without addressing social care. It'll cost more in the long run not to do anything about it.

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There's a cross party committee working on it. I heard one of its members interviewed, I couldn't help but think they were using is as a vehicle for creeping privatisation.

Social care definitely has to come under the umbrella of the health service.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 16, 2023
  • #31,472
Peter Bone facing suspension and recall after being found guilty by an independent panel of bullying and sexual harassment. Possibly another by election coming up.
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 16, 2023
  • #31,473
skybluetony176 said:
Peter Bone facing suspension and recall after being found guilty by an independent panel of bullying and sexual harassment. Possibly another by election coming up.
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shock
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 16, 2023
  • #31,474
David O'Day said:
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His name was always going to land him in trouble
 
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David O'Day

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  • Oct 16, 2023
  • #31,475
fernandopartridge said:
His name was always going to land him in trouble
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always the ones you most suspect
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2023
  • #31,476
skybluetony176 said:
Peter Bone facing suspension and recall after being found guilty by an independent panel of bullying and sexual harassment. Possibly another by election coming up.
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Where’s the recall petition going to be? I can sign this one.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 16, 2023
  • #31,477
Ian1779 said:
Where’s the recall petition going to be? I can sign this one.
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Think it has to be voted on in the commons first to uphold the recommendations of the independent inquiry.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2023
  • #31,478
Philosraptor and FP must have forgotten to post this one, no worries lads.

 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 16, 2023
  • #31,479
shmmeee said:
Philosraptor and FP must have forgotten to post this one, no worries lads.

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I've not seen it - does it not back up my point from yesterday about the squeamishness in relation to policies?
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 16, 2023
  • #31,480
fernandopartridge said:
I've not seen it - does it not back up my point from yesterday about the squeamishness in relation to policies?
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Im not sure any poll on its own mean anything which was my real point. Cons got a slight conference bump, so did Labour. Trends suggest they’re well ahead of where they need to be at this point and the gap will likely close over the next year as it always does pre election. There’s nothing to suggest anything other than a heavy Labour win ATM.
 

SBAndy

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  • Oct 18, 2023
  • #31,481
Inflation still stubborn primarily due to rising petrol prices. Cheers OPEC.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 18, 2023
  • #31,482
SBAndy said:
Inflation still stubborn primarily due to rising petrol prices. Cheers OPEC.
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With what's going on in the Middle East I doubt things are going to get better anytime soon.
 

SBAndy

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  • Oct 18, 2023
  • #31,483
clint van damme said:
With what's going on in the Middle East I doubt things are going to get better anytime soon.
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Correct. The fact this is backward looking, though, negates the immediate effect of what we’ve seen the last week.

This is the argument politicians need to use for the Net Zero drive, it’d be far more effective as a means of convincing people to opt for renewables and goods powered by renewables.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 18, 2023
  • #31,484
SBAndy said:
Correct. The fact this is backward looking, though, negates the immediate effect of what we’ve seen the last week.

This is the argument politicians need to use for the Net Zero drive, it’d be far more effective as a means of convincing people to opt for renewables and goods powered by renewables.
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Literally. Why put our economy in the hands of fundamentalists and tyrants?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 18, 2023
  • #31,485
shmmeee said:
Literally. Why put our economy in the hands of fundamentalists and tyrants?
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Um
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 18, 2023
  • #31,486
SBAndy said:
Correct. The fact this is backward looking, though, negates the immediate effect of what we’ve seen the last week.

This is the argument politicians need to use for the Net Zero drive, it’d be far more effective as a means of convincing people to opt for renewables and goods powered by renewables.
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Exactly. It's a national security issue imo.

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fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 18, 2023
  • #31,487
I thought this was interesting, just show that the UK is expensive despite a falling standard of living


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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 18, 2023
  • #31,488
fernandopartridge said:
I thought this was interesting, just show that the UK is expensive despite a falling standard of living


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And then they pay corporation tax at about 1% by using loopholes and clever accounting. Taking the piss twice.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 19, 2023
  • #31,489
Handy page keeping track of what Labours actual current policies are

Labour policy tracker: Full list of new (and ditched) pledges that could shape manifesto - LabourList

Labour’s decision to ditch a string of policies in recent years has sparked significant attention and controversy, but…
labourlist.org
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 19, 2023
  • #31,490
shmmeee said:
Handy page keeping track of what Labours actual current policies are

Labour policy tracker: Full list of new (and ditched) pledges that could shape manifesto - LabourList

Labour’s decision to ditch a string of policies in recent years has sparked significant attention and controversy, but…
labourlist.org
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The environmental policy is very wide ranging, I wonder how much detail they've got behind it at the moment?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 19, 2023
  • #31,491
shmmeee said:
Handy page keeping track of what Labours actual current policies are

Labour policy tracker: Full list of new (and ditched) pledges that could shape manifesto - LabourList

Labour’s decision to ditch a string of policies in recent years has sparked significant attention and controversy, but…
labourlist.org
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Updated as the wind changes

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alexccfc99

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  • Oct 19, 2023
  • #31,492
Still registered to vote at my mums address in Tamworth and voted Red for the first time today - Will be a very close call by all accounts
 

JAM See

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  • Oct 19, 2023
  • #31,493
alexccfc99 said:
Still registered to vote at my mums address in Tamworth and voted Red for the first time today - Will be a very close call by all accounts
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How old are you, if you don't mind me asking?

Just wondering how many elections you've got in the bag where you haven't voted red.

*Edit* Also, if you don't mind sharing, what colour do you normally vote?
 
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alexccfc99

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  • Oct 19, 2023
  • #31,494
JAM See said:
How old are you, if you don't mind me asking?

Just wondering how many elections you've got in the bag bag where you haven't voted red.

*Edit* Also, if you don't mind sharing, what colour do you normally vote?
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I’m 23 mate - Lived in Tamworth most of my life until 4 years ago when I moved away for studying, live in Leeds currently but was still registered to vote in Tamworth and I am home for a few days so thought I’d go along

I actually registered to vote in 2019 but I never sent off for my postal poll card in time, (so in fairness today was my first time voting either)

However I did intend on voting Blue in 2019, as I’ve matured and spent more time living away opinions have changed - that combined with various local issues in Tamworth swayed me to vote red
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 20, 2023
  • #31,495
It's gone under the radar a bit due to events in the ME, but the covid enquiry is getting pretty juicy.

Poor old Rishi - Dr. Death!
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 20, 2023
  • #31,496
Didn’t think that Labour could win Dorries old seat but they have (took Tamworth too). Even by by-election standards that’s a big win. It was supposed to be the safest Tory seat in the country IIRC.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 20, 2023
  • #31,497
Depressing.


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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 20, 2023
  • #31,498
Rishi, time to go
Rishi Richie time to go

Continuing not to call a general election while also having no idea of how to improve the country is simple negligence.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 20, 2023
  • #31,499
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Rishi, time to go
Rishi Richie time to go

Continuing not to call a general election while also having no idea of how to improve the country is simple negligence.
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You could argue that's been the case for 13 years

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fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 20, 2023
  • #31,500
skybluetony176 said:
Didn’t think that Labour could win Dorries old seat but they have (took Tamworth too). Even by by-election standards that’s a big win. It was supposed to be the safest Tory seat in the country IIRC.
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I am surprised they've won both. Underwhelmed by Starmer but nevertheless good that two Tories are out.

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