Braverman going all in on the fascism.
This conference is something else. Fucking nuts.
If one thing could make me vote for that tosser Starmer and his band of wankers it's watching and listening to these cunts
The reality is that is the choice. Starmer and co don't represent my views but anything is better than this.If one thing could make me vote for that tosser Starmer and his band of wankers it's watching and listening to these cunts
An elected tory heckling Braverman during her speech.
This is an utter disaster for them.
Lol, never change inchyDon’t worry David. The real Tory party is meeting together at Liverpool in a few days
It’s going to be a stretch voting for a guy with the political nous of Jim from Friday Night DinnerThe reality is that is the choice. Starmer and co don't represent my views but anything is better than this.
Bradford is a better place to visit than fucking Mansfield or any of those other grim scab holes in NottinghamshireIt's just awful.
We've also had Lee Anderson asking why anyone would want to go to Bradford (we know why you don't want to Lee) and another Tory saying his hometown feels like a foreign country.
Of course it is. The reason I’m banging on about Brexut is the tactics are the same. A few nutters in Tory shires wanting to protect their privilege (be it avoiding tax or keeping their property prices high) start a load of nonsense co opted by useful idiots on the far left and presented as some war on ordinary people.
Is HS2 expensive? Yes. Is it because it’s HS2? No. It’s because everything is expensive to build in this country because we spend years pandering to people like Monbiot and still don’t produce the green utopia he claims to want. So we get the worst of both worlds. You want it cheaper? Just build the fucking tracks, no trying to hide it all so our beautiful fields aren’t ruined like these horrific hellscapes:
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If you’ve got an issue with consultants then streamline the planning process so they aren’t needed and campaign for in house staff for those that are. If you’ve got an issue with the environmental aspect explain why you’re in favour of road traffic over rail and how we are ever going to build anything to satisfy you. If you want local rail then you have to back HS2 because it’s impossible to get local capacity up without it.
Again, like Brexit, a complex large scale project most don’t fully understand but every expert in the area agrees is needed bar a few cranks.
Because the scrapping of the Manchester to Leeds section meant connectivity’s between Liverpool to Hull can’t happen as there isn’t the tracks laid for trains to travel on. The scrapping of Birmingham to Manchester is the second kick in the teeth to the North where HS2 is concerned.Where's your evidence that local rail can *only* be improved by HS2?
Is everyone who disagrees with you a crank? You don't half get emotional over this sort of stuff which doesn't really help your argument.
This obviously isn't Brexit, and it's not just a few Tories in the shires. It's 100bn pounds worth of investment that an awful lot of people from the National Audit Office downwards have got serious questions about.
Pretending to be cleverer than everyone else doesn't win the argument mate. Not does ranting about Brexit, which isn't actually an infrastructure project.
Where's your evidence that local rail can *only* be improved by HS2?
What alternatives have been seriously considered and costed?
I've no problem with infrastructure investment but it has to be shown to the benefit of the whole country and HS2 has never convincingly made that case, even right at the start.
As it gets more and more expensive it makes even less sense to me, and I'm definitely not a Tory from the shires...
Is everyone who disagrees with you a crank? You don't half get emotional over this sort of stuff which doesn't really help your argument.
This obviously isn't Brexit, and it's not just a few Tories in the shires. It's 100bn pounds worth of investment that an awful lot of people from the National Audit Office downwards have got serious questions about.
Pretending to be cleverer than everyone else doesn't win the argument mate. Not does ranting about Brexit, which isn't actually an infrastructure project.
Where's your evidence that local rail can *only* be improved by HS2?
What alternatives have been seriously considered and costed?
I've no problem with infrastructure investment but it has to be shown to the benefit of the whole country and HS2 has never convincingly made that case, even right at the start.
As it gets more and more expensive it makes even less sense to me, and I'm definitely not a Tory from the shires...
I am emotional. I love this country and I’m sick of seeing it meander into decline for no good reason.
HS2 has not made that case *to you* but it has to business and transport experts and northern leaders and everyone else who has had the time and expertise to decide these things.
And no not everyone who disagrees with me are cranks but cranks do tend to disagree with me. It’s the same empty stuff, you talk about emotional but your entire argument is an appeal to emotion with no credible alternative policy proposals.
So you don't agree it's currently a cluster fuck?
isn't the scaled back version just the bits they have got so far down the line with it would be too batshit for even this mob to cutWell I was against it from the start, but I've recently been won round by the arguments for it, I can't be in favour of this current scaled back version though, no ones convinced me that's worth ploughing ahead with.
isn't the scaled back version just the bits they have got so far down the line with it would be too batshit for even this mob to cut
"Be in no doubt: it is time for a change. And we are it."
What a fucking idiot. Honestly.
Course they areAll the new northern transport projects seem to be hashes of already announced and delayed projects
Why would they talk to anyone who might disagree
But they took their time to carefully make the sensible decisions?
One of the 'more trains' announcements he's made apparently means there will be a route with a train every 3 minutes. If you believe that you'll believe anythingarse and elbow
Gov pledges to extend tram line to Manchester Airport - where it already exists
"This will come as a shock to those who’ve been using the Metrolink line to Manchester airport since [checks notes].... November 2014"www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
No longer solves the problem it was supposed to, does it.Well I was against it from the start, but I've recently been won round by the arguments for it, I can't be in favour of this current scaled back version though, no ones convinced me that's worth ploughing ahead with.
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