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SBT

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  • Aug 8, 2023
  • #30,731
fernandopartridge said:
I wonder whether the UK media will ever examine its own role in propagating a lot of the utter myths associated with it. In particular the alleged public service broadcasters.
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In the BBC’s case, they did:

Bad economics at the BBC enabled Tory austerity and its aftermath – and it knows as much | James Meadway

Too many journalists don’t get ‘basic economics’, an internal review says. Imagine the effect that’s had on UK politics, says James Meadway of the Progressive Economy Forum
www.theguardian.com
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 8, 2023
  • #30,732
SBT said:
In the BBC’s case, they did:

Bad economics at the BBC enabled Tory austerity and its aftermath – and it knows as much | James Meadway

Too many journalists don’t get ‘basic economics’, an internal review says. Imagine the effect that’s had on UK politics, says James Meadway of the Progressive Economy Forum
www.theguardian.com
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It’s powder puff though, they’ve said it out loud when there is no longer a danger of change… and they will then carry on as before.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 8, 2023
  • #30,733
SBT said:
In the BBC’s case, they did:

Bad economics at the BBC enabled Tory austerity and its aftermath – and it knows as much | James Meadway

Too many journalists don’t get ‘basic economics’, an internal review says. Imagine the effect that’s had on UK politics, says James Meadway of the Progressive Economy Forum
www.theguardian.com
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OK - I'm sure if I switch on BBC news that I won't hear anything from Chris Mason that implies government financing is similar to household or business financing.
 
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Grendel

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  • Aug 8, 2023
  • #30,734
That’s what we need - some more straight talking MPs saying it as it is

Lee Anderson tells asylum seekers to ‘f*** off back to France’

Senior Tories share fury as 20 migrants granted last-minute reprieve following legal challenges
www.independent.co.uk
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 8, 2023
  • #30,735
Grendel said:
That’s what we need - some more straight talking MPs saying it as it is

Lee Anderson tells asylum seekers to ‘f*** off back to France’

Senior Tories share fury as 20 migrants granted last-minute reprieve following legal challenges
www.independent.co.uk
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He’s a twat
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 8, 2023
  • #30,736
Sky Blue Pete said:
He’s a twat
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Tuning in?

 
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Grendel

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  • Aug 8, 2023
  • #30,737


 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 8, 2023
  • #30,738
Grendel said:
Tuning in?

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Do either of them talk about the decline in the British pub trade, given how keen they are on pints?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 8, 2023
  • #30,739
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Do either of them talk about the decline in the British pub trade, given how keen they are on pints?
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The whole programme is about the economic success of brexit
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 8, 2023
  • #30,740
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Do either of them talk about the decline in the British pub trade, given how keen they are on pints?
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 8, 2023
  • #30,741
Grendel said:
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Hmmm

Alcohol duty increase 'sickening' for pub industry in NI - BBC News

A County Down pub owner says changes which take effect from Tuesday could be devastating.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 8, 2023
  • #30,742
Sky Blue Pete said:
The whole programme is about the economic success of brexit
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That won’t take long then.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Aug 8, 2023
  • #30,743
Also what’s this supposed brexit win? As far as I can tell duty on beer will still be over the minimal EU duty rate.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 8, 2023
  • #30,744
Do you think that xxxt has watched the swimmers?
I thought as a nation we had matured clearly I’m wrong
You don’t wish Syria on anyone but I’d love to see that wanker try and get help from the people he’s demonised
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 9, 2023
  • #30,745
The old every each action has an equal and opposite reaction principle

Wine tax rises 'clobber' my business, says vineyard owner

Barry Lewis, a Conservative council leader and vineyard owner, criticises increases in duty.
www.bbc.co.uk

or more shuffling the deckchairs on the Titanic in this case.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 9, 2023
  • #30,746
Should stop hammering alcohol anyway. One of the last things remaining that brings people together in real life. Remove tax exemption from private schools and churches and give it to pubs.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 9, 2023
  • #30,747
shmmeee said:
Should stop hammering alcohol anyway. One of the last things remaining that brings people together in real life. Remove tax exemption from private schools and churches and give it to pubs.
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There definitely needs to be some protection for pubs as a cultural icon. Breweries too get nothing from government despite being an industry that could largely get by with solely home grown inputs.

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SBAndy

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  • Aug 11, 2023
  • #30,748

Asylum seekers leave Bibby Stockholm amid fears over bacteria

Legionella bacteria, which can cause a serious type of lung infection known as Legionnaires' disease, has been found in the water on the barge.
news.sky.com

Probably planted there by the left.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 11, 2023
  • #30,749
Saw a tweet claiming it’s cheaper to send them on a Disney cruise than put them on the barge. Surely that’s not actually true?
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 11, 2023
  • #30,750
shmmeee said:
Saw a tweet claiming it’s cheaper to send them on a Disney cruise than put them on the barge. Surely that’s not actually true?
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Probably
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 11, 2023
  • #30,751
SBAndy said:

Asylum seekers leave Bibby Stockholm amid fears over bacteria

Legionella bacteria, which can cause a serious type of lung infection known as Legionnaires' disease, has been found in the water on the barge.
news.sky.com

Probably planted there by the left.
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 11, 2023
  • #30,752
shmmeee said:
Should stop hammering alcohol anyway. One of the last things remaining that brings people together in real life. Remove tax exemption from private schools and churches and give it to pubs.
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Forcing private schools out of business when the state sector is already broken doesn’t strike me as a wise idea.
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 11, 2023
  • #30,753
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Forcing private schools out of business when the state sector is already broken doesn’t strike me as a wise idea.
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Said the private school student.

I don’t see how it would force them out of business. Just put up fees if they have to.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 11, 2023
  • #30,754
shmmeee said:
Said the private school student.

I don’t see how it would force them out of business. Just put up fees if they have to.
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I’ve got no investment now in what happens to them but the finances of a good number are precarious and if they close, the kids will enter the state system which can’t manage what it already has.
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 11, 2023
  • #30,755
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I’ve got no investment now in what happens to them but the finances of a good number are precarious and if they close, the kids will enter the state system which can’t manage what it already has.
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Maybe an influx of Tory voting parents with sharp elbows and the ear of the government is just what education needs?

This is the same logic that says private healthcare helps the NHS. Cherry picking the most productive and profitable parts of a system never helps the other parts. See also grammar schools.

If poshos want to buy privileges then I can’t stop them, but I’m sure as hell not going to subsidise them.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 11, 2023
  • #30,756
shmmeee said:
Maybe an influx of Tory voting parents with sharp elbows and the ear of the government is just what education needs?

This is the same logic that says private healthcare helps the NHS. Cherry picking the most productive and profitable parts of a system never helps the other parts. See also grammar schools.

If poshos want to buy privileges then I can’t stop them, but I’m sure as hell not going to subsidise them.
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Well until we get a government willing to take education and health seriously the private alternatives do provide relief for the state systems. Don’t think that’s in much doubt, you physically have fewer people using the same service.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 11, 2023
  • #30,757
shmmeee said:
Maybe an influx of Tory voting parents with sharp elbows and the ear of the government is just what education needs?

This is the same logic that says private healthcare helps the NHS. Cherry picking the most productive and profitable parts of a system never helps the other parts. See also grammar schools.

If poshos want to buy privileges then I can’t stop them, but I’m sure as hell not going to subsidise them.
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In effect you will be subsidising them if they close as the state will have to absorb the pupils into the system

Most are far from poshos
 
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 11, 2023
  • #30,758
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well until we get a government willing to take education and health seriously the private alternatives do provide relief for the state systems. Don’t think that’s in much doubt, you physically have fewer people using the same service.
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Its who those people are though and are they “good customers” or “bad customers”. If you pick out all the easy operations or we’ll behaved and supported students of course it has a negative impact on those remaining. This isn’t theoretical in education it’s well documented with the effect grammars have on comprehensives around them.
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 11, 2023
  • #30,759
Grendel said:
In effect you will be subsidising them if they close as the state will have to absorb the pupils into the system

Most are far from poshos
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If you can afford £15k/year, you are wealthy whether you choose to admit it or not.

Another customer of the private system here with his totally balanced and neutral views.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 11, 2023
  • #30,760
shmmeee said:
If you can afford £15k/year, you are wealthy whether you choose to admit it or not.

Another customer of the private system here with his totally balanced and neutral views.
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Many take loans or re-mortgages out

I did the latter

One lived in St James road Willenhall as they sold their house to pay.

One (admittedly on a huge bursary) was a single mother with sub £40k wages and savings
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 11, 2023
  • #30,761
Grendel said:
Many take loans or re-mortgages out

I did the latter

One lived in St James road Willenhall as they sold their house to pay.

One (admittedly on a huge bursary) was a single mother with sub £40k wages and savings
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And I know a tramp who won the lottery. Let’s just buy homeless people lottery tickets.

What you’re saying is you leveraged your wealth to enable it. That’s exactly what I’m saying too.

Just ballpark figures, would the median parental income at say Bablake be higher or lowers than, oh I don’t know, Stoke Park?
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 11, 2023
  • #30,762
shmmeee said:
And I know a tramp who won the lottery. Let’s just buy homeless people lottery tickets.

What you’re saying is you leveraged your wealth to enable it. That’s exactly what I’m saying too.

Just ballpark figures, would the median parental income at say Bablake be higher or lowers than, oh I don’t know, Stoke Park?
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This isn't the point though and its a subject where you are generalising from an outside perspective

The reality is the state system would have an influx of pupils which - given the lack of funding - will burden that system and weaken it.

Its interesting when Education becomes less of a priority when the politics of envy set in
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 11, 2023
  • #30,763
Grendel said:
This isn't the point though and its a subject where you are generalising from an outside perspective

The reality is the state system would have an influx of pupils which - given the lack of funding - will burden that system and weaken it.

Its interesting when Education becomes less of a priority when the politics of envy set in
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Why do you think an influx of smart, hard working kids with supportive parents would weaken the state system exactly? Walk me through it.

“Politics of envy” I’m just saying buying your kids a head start shouldn’t be tax free FFS. Especially when it demonstrably harms those who can’t afford it.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 11, 2023
  • #30,764
shmmeee said:
If you can afford £15k/year, you are wealthy whether you choose to admit it or not.

Another customer of the private system here with his totally balanced and neutral views.
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The state system cannot serve the children it’s already trying to. Adding more to it is going to make it worse. This seems like the people who argued against Farage saying that immigrants need housing which we also don’t have enough of.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 11, 2023
  • #30,765
shmmeee said:
Why do you think an influx of smart, hard working kids with supportive parents would weaken the state system exactly? Walk me through it.

“Politics of envy” I’m just saying buying your kids a head start shouldn’t be tax free FFS. Especially when it demonstrably harms those who can’t afford it.
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It will add cost to the system which will not be balanced by the VAT returns if schools close. If the Coventry schools close thats what 2,000 pupils easily to accommodate in the state system which I believe costs the taxpayer £7,500 per pupil per year. So that alone over 12 years is £180m unless they are absorbed at zero spend which will by definition mean larger classes, lower resources per pupil and general overcrowding in the system.
 
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