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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 28, 2023
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 28, 2023
  • #30,487
The underlying data of the above would be interesting without the categorisation

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shmmeee

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  • Jul 28, 2023
  • #30,488
Thought this was interesting from the same account:

 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 28, 2023
  • #30,489
shmmeee said:
Thought this was interesting from the same account:

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Yeah, though like a lot of things in Britain some people are supportive of stuff as long as it doesn't affect them

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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 28, 2023
  • #30,490
They actually believe this shit



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clint van damme

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  • Jul 28, 2023
  • #30,491
fernandopartridge said:
They actually believe this shit



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He's damned them with faint praise in his own post without realising it.

'Basic competence will see them win a second term'.

Fuck me, it will be like awarding a footballer a new contract because he keeps his boots clean and neatly folds his kit.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 28, 2023
  • #30,492
clint van damme said:
He's damned them with faint praise in his own post without realising it.

'Basic competence will see them win a second term'.

Fuck me, it will be like awarding a footballer a new contract because he keeps his boots clean and neatly folds his kit.
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He's talking to other comfortable people who like managerial politics. They are not interested in outcomes. It's whether or not they like the tone.

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Grendel

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  • Jul 28, 2023
  • #30,493
PVA said:
A real topical guest then. A man last heard on TV 20 years ago.

Presumably Nigel expressed his dismay at Ron being sacked for his views.
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To be fair talking pints went downhill when they stopped having the calibre of people like Alan Hope supping away with Nige
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 28, 2023
  • #30,494
clint van damme said:
He's damned them with faint praise in his own post without realising it.

'Basic competence will see them win a second term'.

Fuck me, it will be like awarding a footballer a new contract because he keeps his boots clean and neatly folds his kit.
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Tbf what I hoped from Blair's time was about what we got first term, but becoming more progressive second term.

Guess I got half of what I expected(!) but there is a principle there. Even Thatcher was doling out state aid in her first term!
 

David O'Day

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  • Jul 28, 2023
  • #30,495
Farage
duffer said:
So, as a mid-level seat-warmer in the financial industry for a good few years now, I've got to say that disclosing a customer's personal information without their permission is a sackable offence. Even if they are a complete wanker. If it was me I would have just said that he no longer meets the financial criteria for a Coutt's account, and bounced him out regardless, the other stuff was unnecessary.

The real scandal in banking isn't rich arseholes being unable to impress their mates with a posh chequebook, it's average people having their accounts closed without any reason being given (often via the mysterious fraud flag, CIFAS). More on that in the link below, but I either way I seriously doubt a Tory government will look to change this - Labour will undoubtedly be too busy giving blow-jobs to the Daily Mail editoral staff to worry about it overmuch either, should they get in.

Sunak, Farage, and the corrupt orifice that is the Tory party banging on about "standards" though... that's taking the piss, frankly.

Forget Nigel Farage and Coutts – banks have been locking ordinary people out of accounts for years | Amy Taylor

This is a rich person’s row. But as a debt adviser, I’ve seen clients’ lives upended when they are denied access to a basic bank account, says debt adviser Amy Taylor
www.theguardian.com
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yeah she had to go, any industry you do that and you are gone
 

clint van damme

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  • Jul 28, 2023
  • #30,496
Deleted member 5849 said:
Tbf what I hoped from Blair's time was about what we got first term, but becoming more progressive second term.

Guess I got half of what I expected(!) but there is a principle there. Even Thatcher was doling out state aid in her first term!
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With what the country's been through in the last decade or so I'd prefer something a bit more visionary personally.
We'll soon have economic metrics where Mauratania are bettering us at this rate!
 
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SBT

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  • Jul 29, 2023
  • #30,497
Good news: The official inquest to deliver retribution against those who may have wronged Nigel Farage continues with the hiring of several top lawyers to decide how many more heads should roll

Bad news: One of those lawyers may have (brace yourselves) voted Remain


When will Farage finally receive justice? When will this persecution end?
 
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duffer

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  • Jul 29, 2023
  • #30,498
SBT said:
Good news: The official inquest to deliver retribution against those who may have wronged Nigel Farage continues with the hiring of several top lawyers to decide how many more heads should roll

Bad news: One of those lawyers may have (brace yourselves) voted Remain


When will Farage finally receive justice? When will this persecution end?
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Just on the way to burn #FreeNigel into the Oval pitch.

Got my JUST STOP COUTTS t-shirt and gammon coloured flour at the ready...
 

chiefdave

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  • Jul 29, 2023
  • #30,499
SBT said:
Good news: The official inquest to deliver retribution against those who may have wronged Nigel Farage continues with the hiring of several top lawyers to decide how many more heads should roll

Bad news: One of those lawyers may have (brace yourselves) voted Remain


When will Farage finally receive justice? When will this persecution end?
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Brexit certainly was a tragedy for people who didn't want to wake up one day to discover their bank account was being shut down

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2020/11/eu-bank-accounts-closed-brexit/
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 29, 2023
  • #30,500
fernandopartridge said:
Yeah, though like a lot of things in Britain some people are supportive of stuff as long as it doesn't affect them

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Id imagine that’s true everywhere. But comparing like for like we’re clearly more supportive than most.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jul 29, 2023
  • #30,501
SBT said:
Good news: The official inquest to deliver retribution against those who may have wronged Nigel Farage continues with the hiring of several top lawyers to decide how many more heads should roll

Bad news: One of those lawyers may have (brace yourselves) voted Remain


When will Farage finally receive justice? When will this persecution end?
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According to the latest polling it doesn’t necessarily mean he has to be a remainer either. Only 18% of leave voters think it isn’t a disaster.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #30,502
Anyone seen the emotional footage of Lee Anderson talking about his son coming out to him…



…as a vegetarian? Hilarious. Complete snowflake
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #30,503
Time for this colossal waste of money, resources and land to be scrapped

HS2: Rail link rated 'unachievable' by infrastructure watchdog

An infrastructure watchdog gives the project a "red" warning, raising issues over budgets and schedules.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #30,504
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Time for this colossal waste of money, resources and land to be scrapped

HS2: Rail link rated 'unachievable' by infrastructure watchdog

An infrastructure watchdog gives the project a "red" warning, raising issues over budgets and schedules.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Wasn't one of the benefits of HS2 supposed to be that you'd no longer need Birmginham to London trains on the existing line freeing up capacity. Given that its now not likely to go to Euston anytime soon what are the odds that the existing routers will stay in use
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #30,505
chiefdave said:
Wasn't one of the benefits of HS2 supposed to be that you'd no longer need Birmginham to London trains on the existing line freeing up capacity. Given that its now not likely to go to Euston anytime soon what are the odds that the existing routers will stay in use
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I find it hard to understand why people from Coventry would be keen on a line that rips through countryside near the city but won’t stop there and will give even more economic benefit to its big neighbour.

A serious amount of money that could have been used across the whole UK instead of fundamentally to get to London a few minutes earlier.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #30,506
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Time for this colossal waste of money, resources and land to be scrapped

HS2: Rail link rated 'unachievable' by infrastructure watchdog

An infrastructure watchdog gives the project a "red" warning, raising issues over budgets and schedules.
www.bbc.co.uk
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The money could be far better spent. A complete waste, but the politicians seem to love it.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #30,507
And this is exactly why we have shit infrastructure in this country. The problem is delivery not the project itself, which is needed for the capacity boost elsewhere.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #30,508
shmmeee said:
And this is exactly why we have shit infrastructure in this country. The problem is delivery not the project itself, which is needed for the capacity boost elsewhere.
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What benefit will Scotland, Wales, NI, or SW/NE/E England see from this project even if it were all delivered on schedule and on budget?
 
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SBT

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #30,509
Brighton Sky Blue said:
What benefit will Scotland, Wales, NI, or SW/NE/E England see from this project even if it were all delivered on schedule and on budget?
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Seems like quite a big set of criteria to meet to justify an infrastructure project!
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #30,510
Brighton Sky Blue said:
What benefit will Scotland, Wales, NI, or SW/NE/E England see from this project even if it were all delivered on schedule and on budget?
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As I said, higher capacity on local routes. Which is what’s needed. What’s your answer for improving the rail network?
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #30,511
shmmeee said:
And this is exactly why we have shit infrastructure in this country. The problem is delivery not the project itself, which is needed for the capacity boost elsewhere.
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We have a rail system that, like alotofthings in this country, is absolutely broken. How about we fix that first?
This project is already massively over budget and behind, (I appreciate thats not what your point is about), but we really aren't in a position to be pouring money away.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #30,512
SBT said:
Seems like quite a big set of criteria to meet to justify an infrastructure project!
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Local transport infrastructure is pretty terrible in all the places I just listed and for the £60-70 billion that we’re committing to help Brummies get to London quicker, that investment could be spread across the whole country.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #30,513
clint van damme said:
We have a rail system that, like alotofthings in this country, is absolutely broken. How about we fix that first?
This project is already massively over budget and behind, (I appreciate thats not what your point is about), but we really aren't in a position to be pouring money away.
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That’s what this is!
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #30,514
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Local transport infrastructure is pretty terrible in all the places I just listed and for the £60-70 billion that we’re committing to help Brummies get to London quicker, that investment could be spread across the whole country.
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You’re a smart guy. Maybe read up on why it’s actually being built.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #30,515
In other transport related news Sunak is in the Telegraph today saying he is ordering a review of low traffic neighbourhoods and is on the side of motorists, obviously apart from actually maintaining road or doing anything about the high price of fuel and level of vehicle crime.

Think we've discussed before how 15 minute neighbourhoods have become a magnet for the Mail & GB News crowd. Quite bizarre to see them now arguing that low traffic neighbourhoods need to be eliminated because that's the only way people will be able to get their kids to school, then get to work and get their shopping on the way home from work. Wonder if the penny will drop at some point?
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #30,516
chiefdave said:
In other transport related news Sunak is in the Telegraph today saying he is ordering a review of low traffic neighbourhoods and is on the side of motorists, obviously apart from actually maintaining road or doing anything about the high price of fuel and level of vehicle crime.

Think we've discussed before how 15 minute neighbourhoods have become a magnet for the Mail & GB News crowd. Quite bizarre to see them now arguing that low traffic neighbourhoods need to be eliminated because that's the only way people will be able to get their kids to school, then get to work and get their shopping on the way home from work. Wonder if the penny will drop at some point?
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Sunak really gunning for that 3% of the vote Lozza Fox has got.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #30,517
shmmeee said:
That’s what this is!
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There's been numerous less expensive alternatives proposed from more flexible ticketing to repurposing existing but unused stretches of track.
I don't know how successful implementing these ideas would be but I pretty much guarantee HS2 will be an expensive failure.
It's already been pared back, but no doubt someone somewhere will make a shitload of money from it.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #30,518
chiefdave said:
In other transport related news Sunak is in the Telegraph today saying he is ordering a review of low traffic neighbourhoods and is on the side of motorists, obviously apart from actually maintaining road or doing anything about the high price of fuel and level of vehicle crime.

Think we've discussed before how 15 minute neighbourhoods have become a magnet for the Mail & GB News crowd. Quite bizarre to see them now arguing that low traffic neighbourhoods need to be eliminated because that's the only way people will be able to get their kids to school, then get to work and get their shopping on the way home from work. Wonder if the penny will drop at some point?
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It's genuinely desperate
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 30, 2023
  • #30,519
shmmeee said:
As I said, higher capacity on local routes. Which is what’s needed. What’s your answer for improving the rail network?
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shmmeee said:
You’re a smart guy. Maybe read up on why it’s actually being built.
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I know someone who’s a project manager on the section between London and Birmingham. Like the literature on this he is shall we say unconvincing. Public transport in NI is even worse but like most things there we’ve given up trying.

The work done will ultimately just help people get to London quicker from a few select places. I fail to see how that improves capacity in places like Scotland and Wales or even to be honest places nearer to London like East Anglia. I would support something that makes more routes available within these areas, not something that at best makes more carriages available.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jul 30, 2023
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
I know someone who’s a project manager on the section between London and Birmingham. Like the literature on this he is shall we say unconvincing. Public transport in NI is even worse but like most things there we’ve given up trying.

The work done will ultimately just help people get to London quicker from a few select places. I fail to see how that improves capacity in places like Scotland and Wales or even to be honest places nearer to London like East Anglia. I would support something that makes more routes available within these areas, not something that at best makes more carriages available.
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The day north western took over they reduced the number of carriages they put on.
Avanti relied on the good will of drivers doing overtime to keep their trains running and had to cancel trains left right and centre when that goodwill was withdrawn.

There's easy fixes to some of the issues out there but we seem incapable of implementing them so I'm not sure HS2 will improve our lot.
 
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