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PVA

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,381
Grendel said:
Mr Johnson isn’t a bunch of people and if there is evidence then a crime has been committed and the police should investigate - do you agree with that?
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She said he is racist etc, she did not say the Tories are. That's why I'm saying it's different. Keep up. You're so tedious.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,382
PVA said:
She said he is racist etc, she did not say the Tories are. That's why I'm saying it's different. Keep up.
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No she said they are a bunch of - she referred to the whole party as such. She then wouldn’t apologise unless genuine apologised himself for his personal behaviours - but her words were “The Tories are a bunch of….”

Or do the media need to keep us as well?

Angela Rayner stands by labelling of Tories as ‘scum’

Labour deputy leader refuses to say sorry, describing terms as ‘street language’ of her working-class roots
amp.theguardian.com
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,383
Grendel said:
No she said they are a bunch of - she referred to the whole party as such. She then wouldn’t apologise unless genuine apologised himself for his personal behaviours - but her words were “The Tories are a bunch of….”

Or do the media need to keep us as well?

Angela Rayner stands by labelling of Tories as ‘scum’

Labour deputy leader refuses to say sorry, describing terms as ‘street language’ of her working-class roots
amp.theguardian.com
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The scum comment was aimed at Tories. The racist misogynist stuff was aimed at Johnson.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,384
She did of course in the end apologise
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,385
Let's hope Sunak does too
 

chiefdave

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,386
Good to see we're ignoring events of today to discuss something that happened 2 years ago again
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,387
chiefdave said:
Good to see we're ignoring events of today to discuss something that happened 2 years ago again
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Nothings really happened today but someone pretending to be outraged by a tweet - the reality is in a social media world political mud slinging will get increasing worse

Starmer gets plenty of it from his own party members - ironically it’s the middle classes that will elect him along with those northern bigoted brexit lot in them dirty northern mill towns
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,388
chiefdave said:
Good to see we're ignoring events of today to discuss something that happened 2 years ago again
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Too be fair it’s more relevant than the last Labour government line
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,389
Now this would get my vote

Why Rishi Sunak is backing away from the 2030 petrol car ban

The Prime Minister has opened the way for a rethink of the Tory net zero pledge
www.telegraph.co.uk
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,390
PVA said:
This is disgusting from Sunak really.

You might expect this shit from idiots like Gullis and 30p, but from the fucking PM? Sums up the state of things I guess.

So much for the integrity he bangs on about.

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I refer you back to my post 2-3 months ago where Labour accused Sunak of not caring whether paedophiles were sent to jail. It's inevitable now that the two pathetic sides will play out this sort of nonsense.

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Grendel

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,391
fernandopartridge said:
I refer you back to my post 2-3 months ago where Labour accused Sunak of not caring whether paedophiles were sent to jail. It's inevitable now that the two pathetic sides will play out this sort of nonsense.

Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
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Along with the classic - Sunak doesn’t think criminals with guns should go to prison.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,392
CCFCSteve said:
Correct Netflix carries a lot of debt but after a big drop in share price it’s been climbing for past 12 months. Not sure comparing the two is wise, Netflix has 250m paying subscribers worldwide and I think makes 12bn a year. C4 has a declining viewership and just about breaks even. View attachment 30864

I’ve got no big issue with C4 remaining under public ownership as it makes a little bit of money so isn’t a burden currently but I suppose the question is whether it’s really a governments role to own tv channels..unless you live in Russia I guess ? Also then whether it will remain profitable. The TV worlds changing rapidly and if we can get £1bn for it now, it might not be a bad shout
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While the issue of state controlled broadcasters is a valid one, it's not like the private ones are all bastions of truth and enlightment. Fox is a joke.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,393
chiefdave said:
I'm not really understanding why Farage should be treated differently to others or why there's an outrage that his account may have been closed for moral reasons when banks do this to other people on a daily basis without any fuss in the media

There's no right to anything other than a basic bank account, and that's only a relatively recent requirement as there were so many people unable to find a bank that would let them maintain an account
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Well this has all turned out to be rather embarrassing - grovelling apologies and a delay of some inevitable head rolling at NatWest
 
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SBT

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,394
In other news, the entire Sunak administration now seems to be jumping on board the campaign to turn the Farage/Coutts fiasco into a modern-day Watergate. One cabinet minister says the whole board of NatWest should resign!
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #30,395
SBT said:
In other news, the entire Sunak administration now seems to be jumping on board the campaign to turn the Farage/Coutts fiasco into a modern-day Watergate. One cabinet minister says the whole board of NatWest should resign!
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Climate change upon us and probably our last chance to act (actually it'sprobably too late sorry); cost of living crisis hitting the majority of the population; number of homeless children rising; strikes in the NHS and on the railways impacting on our lives but what is the Government focused on? More culture wars rubbish. Do they really think anyone is interested in Farage's Coutts bank account and this is going to solve the real problems the world and the country faces.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #30,396
Grendel said:
Well oddly enough I wouldn’t have even known about it until you’ve highlighted it

Not especially edifying but not really much different to the deputy labour leader calling Tories racist, misogynistic, homophobic scum - something I don’t think you were too outraged about at the time
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Tbf even the lefties were outraged at Labour's attack ads, so have the entitlement to be outraged here too.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #30,397
In other news. Nat West boss cancelled for being a free market capitalist after anti cancel culture/pro free market warrior complains about being the “victim” of a free market economy.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #30,398
Heavy session last night grenners lad?
 

David O'Day

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #30,399
skybluetony176 said:
In other news. Nat West boss cancelled for being a free market capitalist after anti cancel culture/pro free market warrior complains about being the “victim” of a free market economy.
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Very Stainist behaviour from the government as well
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #30,400
Grendel said:
Not to me. Whats it doing for you?

Here is the radical media landscape viewing on offer today

Channel 4 schedule & listings for today and tonight | TV Guide

Today's Channel 4 TV schedule. Check out what's on Channel 4 today, tonight and beyond with our TV guide.
www.tvguide.co.uk
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I think it offers something no commercial channel or BBC does, yeah.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #30,401
Grendel said:
Well this has all turned out to be rather embarrassing - grovelling apologies and a delay of some inevitable head rolling at NatWest
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I still have no clue why Farage is the only person in the country who has the right to a bank account other than a basic bank account from one of the governments nine designated providers

Sad state of affairs when the country is falling apart and there's horrific news on a daily basis but the thing that gets the government to spring into action is a millionaire not being able to use one particular bank
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #30,402
chiefdave said:
I still have no clue why Farage is the only person in the country who has the right to a bank account other than a basic bank account from one of the governments nine designated providers

Sad state of affairs when the country is falling apart and there's horrific news on a daily basis but the thing that gets the government to spring into action is a millionaire not being able to use one particular bank
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It's just more culture war bollocks isn't it. And a handy distraction for them.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #30,403
chiefdave said:
I still have no clue why Farage is the only person in the country who has the right to a bank account other than a basic bank account from one of the governments nine designated providers

Sad state of affairs when the country is falling apart and there's horrific news on a daily basis but the thing that gets the government to spring into action is a millionaire not being able to use one particular bank
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i think the point is more around the senior figure leaking what proved to be inaccurate information to the media isn’t it?
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #30,404
The irony here is that a self proclaimed free speech fundamentalist who thinks freedom of speech should mean freedom of conscience celebrating someone resigning exactly because their freedom to speak to the BBC came with consequences.

Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s right she resigned given the facts and I believe freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom of consciences, but you’d think that the free speech warriors would be calling for her to be reinstated.

what do we want?
Freedom of speech to mean freedom of consciences!
When do we want it?
When it doesn’t negatively impact me personally?
 
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SBT

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #30,405
skybluetony176 said:
The irony here is that a self proclaimed free speech fundamentalist who thinks freedom of speech should mean freedom of conscience celebrating someone resigning exactly because their freedom to speak to the BBC came with consequences.

Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s right she resigned given the facts and I believe freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom of consciences, but you’d think that the free speech warriors would be calling for her to be reinstated.

what do we want?
Freedom of speech to mean freedom of consciences!
When do we want it?
When it doesn’t negatively impact me personally?
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I don’t think this is a freedom of speech issue at all. She got her facts wrong and caused embarrassment/reputational damage to her company - it was a high profile-enough screw up to justify giving her the sack if the board felt it was a problem.

As it is, she had the board’s backing until No 10 AND No 11 decided to demand her head on a plate. And apparently one cabinet minister thinks that still isn’t enough blood sacrifices for this most heinous of crimes.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #30,406
skybluetony176 said:
The irony here is that a self proclaimed free speech fundamentalist who thinks freedom of speech should mean freedom of conscience celebrating someone resigning exactly because their freedom to speak to the BBC came with consequences.

Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s right she resigned given the facts and I believe freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom of consciences, but you’d think that the free speech warriors would be calling for her to be reinstated.

what do we want?
Freedom of speech to mean freedom of consciences!
When do we want it?
When it doesn’t negatively impact me personally?
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This is a breach of confidentiality?

What has free speech got to do with anything?
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #30,407
SBT said:
I don’t think this is a freedom of speech issue at all. She got her facts wrong and caused embarrassment/reputational damage to her company - it was a high profile-enough screw up to justify giving her the sack if the board felt it was a problem.

As it is, she had the board’s backing until No 10 AND No 11 decided to demand her head on a plate. And apparently one cabinet minister thinks that still isn’t enough blood sacrifices for this most heinous of crimes.
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Natwest shares are down 3% half an hour into trading. She was never going to ride this out.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #30,408
SBT said:
I don’t think this is a freedom of speech issue at all. She got her facts wrong and caused embarrassment/reputational damage to her company - it was a high profile-enough screw up to justify giving her the sack if the board felt it was a problem.

As it is, she had the board’s backing until No 10 AND No 11 decided to demand her head on a plate. And apparently one cabinet minister thinks that still isn’t enough blood sacrifices for this most heinous of crimes.
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As I said, she had to go. But you can guarantee that if this had have happened to a left wing commentator instead of a right wing commentator working on the government’s favourite friendly “News” channel A) the government wouldn’t have gotten involved and B) if it had have caused a banking boss resignation the same right wing free thinkers would have been crying cancel culture, freedom of speech etc etc.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #30,409
skybluetony176 said:
As I said, she had to go. But you can guarantee that if this had have happened to a left wing commentator instead of a right wing commentator working on the government’s favourite friendly “News” channel A) the government wouldn’t have gotten involved and B) if it had have caused a banking boss resignation the same right wing free thinkers would have been crying cancel culture, freedom of speech etc etc.
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Its not freedom of speech is it?
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #30,410
Grendel said:
Its not freedom of speech is it?
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It's not the most important issue facing the country is it?

There was a report yesterday on the increase in homeless children for example. This received less attention than a very privileged man's issues relating to a bank account with an elite bank.

Let's face it this is another example of the right trying to flood the media with rubbish to avoid the media spotlight on what they should be reporting. Classic Steve Bannon tactics of course ('flood the zone with shit'). I just can't see this one appealing to many, though, especially in a cost of living crisis.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #30,411
Deleted member 9744 said:
It's not the most important issue the country/world is facing is it?
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What a strange thing to say
 
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  • Jul 26, 2023
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Grendel

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #30,413
Listening to Starmer on Five Live now I do wonder if he and Sunak have the same Media Consultant

They both parrot cliche phrases often not even related to the question posed
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jul 26, 2023
  • #30,414
Grendel said:
Listening to Starmer on Five Live now I do wonder if he and Sunak have the same Media Consultant

They both parrot cliche phrases often not even related to the question posed
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Yet again when the two-child benefit cap comes up he spouts some bollocks about uncosted spending commitments. Well how about doing a few sums you fucking twat because it’s clear that your policy stance on this is dog shit.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jul 26, 2023
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Grendel said:
What a strange thing to say
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So you think Farage's bank account should be the top news story?
 
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