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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (24 Viewers)

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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 23, 2023
  • #30,311
fatso said:
Might help if he had the odd policy other than "I'm not them"



Although that may well.be enough tbf.
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I still have hope for the manifesto, but recent desires to tie to current spending really aren't helping me keep that optimism.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jul 23, 2023
  • #30,312
fatso said:
Might help if he had the odd policy other than "I'm not them"



Although that may well.be enough tbf.
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It will be enough for him, my worry is it won't be enough for the rest of us.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 23, 2023
  • #30,313
clint van damme said:
It will be enough for him, my worry is it won't be enough for the rest of us.
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There’s always

 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 23, 2023
  • #30,314
There may be trouble ahead…

 

fatso

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  • Jul 23, 2023
  • #30,315
Deleted member 5849 said:
I still have hope for the manifesto, but recent desires to tie to current spending really aren't helping me keep that optimism.
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I think he's preparing the way for what happens after he wins the general election and every one says "what's changing then?" and he says "well nothing actually"

It's easy to promise the world when your in opposition, but it's very different when your called upon to actually deliver.

Personally I feel utterly dejected and let down and abandoned by the state of British politics, the Tories deserve to go, and have to go, but Labour arn't fit to govern anything, and the Libdems and greens are a fucking joke. surely there has to be a better way than this cluster fuck.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jul 24, 2023
  • #30,316
fatso said:
Might help if he had the odd policy other than "I'm not them"



Although that may well.be enough tbf.
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Trouble is the stuff coming out of his mouth recently has been more "I am them"
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 24, 2023
  • #30,317
Channel 4 should have its funding withdrawn after that human meat bollocks programme
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 24, 2023
  • #30,318
Grendel said:
Channel 4 should have its funding withdrawn after that human meat bollocks programme
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You watched a Gregg Wallace vehicle?!!
 

JAM See

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  • Jul 24, 2023
  • #30,319
Grendel said:
Channel 4 should have its funding withdrawn after that human meat bollocks programme
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What funding?
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 24, 2023
  • #30,320
JAM See said:
What funding?
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Well ok the government should sell channel 4 which would yield £1 billion to pay on worthwhile projects
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 24, 2023
  • #30,321
Deleted member 5849 said:
You watched a Gregg Wallace vehicle?!!
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I wish he’d been eaten
 
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JAM See

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  • Jul 24, 2023
  • #30,322
Grendel said:
Well ok the government should sell channel 4 which would yield £1 billion to pay on worthwhile projects
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Selling the water and the oil and the council houses went well.

Yeah, sell more publicly owned assets.

Yawn.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jul 24, 2023
  • #30,323
Grendel said:
Channel 4 should have its funding withdrawn after that human meat bollocks programme
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Are you Nadine Dorries?
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 24, 2023
  • #30,324
Deleted member 9744 said:
Are you Nadine Dorries?
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What did you think of the programme?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jul 24, 2023
  • #30,325
Deleted member 9744 said:
Are you Nadine Dorries?
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The silly thing is it has no debt, it costs the taxpayers zilch in funding and the way it funds program making is unique to the industry. Compare it to Netflix who’s massively in debt and its share price is tumbling. There is zero logic in selling it off, which is probably why Boris and Nads thought it a good idea. This government would only waste the money anyway.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jul 24, 2023
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Grendel said:
What did you think of the programme?
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Not sure what programme you are talking about.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,327
JAM See said:
Selling the water and the oil and the council houses went well.

Yeah, sell more publicly owned assets.

Yawn.
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No worries. Family silver famously never runs out.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,328
Deleted member 9744 said:
Are you Nadine Dorries?
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Harsh on Nads
 
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rob9872

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,329
"Channel 4 makes up to £2 billion for the economy each year. In 2021, Channel 4's revenues hit £1 billion, a 19% growth from 2020. It reported a £74 million pre-tax surplus and net cash reserves of £201 million."

That's from Google. Can someone with better financial understanding than me, explain how a company that only turns over £1bn per annum with pre-tax profits of £74m, makes £2bn per annum for the Economy?
 

rob9872

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,330
I also dont see why it should remain publicly owned. I agree we should never have privatised water or fuel, but no business owning C4 (or BBC tbf), any more than owning a supermarket and setting food prices.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,331
rob9872 said:
"Channel 4 makes up to £2 billion for the economy each year. In 2021, Channel 4's revenues hit £1 billion, a 19% growth from 2020. It reported a £74 million pre-tax surplus and net cash reserves of £201 million."

That's from Google. Can someone with better financial understanding than me, explain how a company that only turns over £1bn per annum with pre-tax profits of £74m, makes £2bn per annum for the Economy?
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Company A has big project

Enlists Companies B, C, D… to do work on project. All of these add to GDP.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,332
shmmeee said:
Company A has big project

Enlists Companies B, C, D… to do work on project. All of these add to GDP.
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Which would occur whoever owns it
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,333
Grendel said:
Which would occur whoever owns it
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Assuming it’s as successful, sure. But we don’t own media companies for economic reasons.

What’s your plan to pay the bills once you’ve sold off all your assets? Rishi Sunak OnlyFans?
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,334
Grendel said:
Channel 4 should have its funding withdrawn after that human meat bollocks programme
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JAM See said:
What funding?
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Grendel said:
Well ok the government should sell channel 4 which would yield £1 billion to pay on worthwhile projects
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This exchange is almost identical to this one


 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,335
PVA said:
This exchange is almost identical to this one


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The only response to that should have been
Really whoops have I got that wrong and then walking out
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,336
skybluetony176 said:
The silly thing is it has no debt, it costs the taxpayers zilch in funding and the way it funds program making is unique to the industry. Compare it to Netflix who’s massively in debt and its share price is tumbling. There is zero logic in selling it off, which is probably why Boris and Nads thought it a good idea. This government would only waste the money anyway.
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Correct Netflix carries a lot of debt but after a big drop in share price it’s been climbing for past 12 months. Not sure comparing the two is wise, Netflix has 250m paying subscribers worldwide and I think makes 12bn a year. C4 has a declining viewership and just about breaks even.

I’ve got no big issue with C4 remaining under public ownership as it makes a little bit of money so isn’t a burden currently but I suppose the question is whether it’s really a governments role to own tv channels..unless you live in Russia I guess ? Also then whether it will remain profitable. The TV worlds changing rapidly and if we can get £1bn for it now, it might not be a bad shout
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,337
PVA said:
This exchange is almost identical to this one
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Well it isn't it was a glib comment to a programme no one it seems watched

It is interesting though how it uses a GDP argument to support its reasoning to remain under public ownership as even when it makes losses (as it has done in the past) it uses an argument that it still makes positive net contributions to the economy.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,338
rob9872 said:
"Channel 4 makes up to £2 billion for the economy each year. In 2021, Channel 4's revenues hit £1 billion, a 19% growth from 2020. It reported a £74 million pre-tax surplus and net cash reserves of £201 million."

That's from Google. Can someone with better financial understanding than me, explain how a company that only turns over £1bn per annum with pre-tax profits of £74m, makes £2bn per annum for the Economy?
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Because it will spend a significant amount buying goods and services obviously

Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,339
shmmeee said:
Company A has big project

Enlists Companies B, C, D… to do work on project. All of these add to GDP.
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He's an accountant!


Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,340
rob9872 said:
"Channel 4 makes up to £2 billion for the economy each year. In 2021, Channel 4's revenues hit £1 billion, a 19% growth from 2020. It reported a £74 million pre-tax surplus and net cash reserves of £201 million."

That's from Google. Can someone with better financial understanding than me, explain how a company that only turns over £1bn per annum with pre-tax profits of £74m, makes £2bn per annum for the Economy?
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Its sort of the argument deployed to retain the Royal Family - namely their wages pay for themselves

Recent attempts to measure the size of the impact of the royal family on UK tourism have estimated the capital value of UK monarchy as a business to be £67.5 billion (up from £44 billion in 2012) and the annual contribution to the UK economy to be £1.766 billion.
 

rob9872

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,341
fernandopartridge said:
He's an accountant!


Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
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Who is?
 

rob9872

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,342
fernandopartridge said:
Because it will spend a significant amount buying goods and services obviously

Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
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I hadn't considered it so it wasn't obvious or I wouldn't have asked. I forgot we're all experts on everything so nobody should ever ask a question as the entire forum knows the answer to everything on every subject.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,343
Anyway it was this nonsense I was talking about

Channel 4 viewers bamboozled by Gregg Wallace mockumentary about ‘eating human meat’

Viewers were unsure if ‘The British Miracle Meat’ was real or not
www.independent.co.uk
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,344
CCFCSteve said:
Correct Netflix carries a lot of debt but after a big drop in share price it’s been climbing for past 12 months. Not sure comparing the two is wise, Netflix has 250m paying subscribers worldwide and I think makes 12bn a year. C4 has a declining viewership and just about breaks even. View attachment 30864

I’ve got no big issue with C4 remaining under public ownership as it makes a little bit of money so isn’t a burden currently but I suppose the question is whether it’s really a governments role to own tv channels..unless you live in Russia I guess ? Also then whether it will remain profitable. The TV worlds changing rapidly and if we can get £1bn for it now, it might not be a bad shout
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Culturally it's the government's role, remove the profit motive so we get original innovative content, some of which will work and some bomb.

The main issue in a BBC sense is the same government (apolitical) assesses in too large a part by quantitative means, so we get the same sort of content, with less budget to make it!
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Jul 25, 2023
  • #30,345
I watched this & am amazed this got to air.

Failed on every level.

My dog writes better parody.

Lets hope the "comedy" writer Matt Edmonds never works again. 0/10.
 
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