Grendel
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Yep it’s just shallow sound bites from social media
It's just vibes with you isn't it
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If being anti Brexit is a vibe then yes.
Which of his policies will look to repair the relationship and bring about closer integration?
He's made it very clear he wants closer ties, and rightly so.
Can you include a link to a policy of his about it?He's made it very clear he wants closer ties, and rightly so.
If you’ve managed to ascertain that from what he says, then I’ve got some magic beans to sell you at a huge discount.He's made it very clear he wants closer ties, and rightly so.
Can you include a link to a policy of his about it?
Can you include a link to a policy of his about anything?
He has a plan to have a veterinary agreement with the EU which will help with movement of goods and repair some of the damage in Northern Ireland, he also plans to have an agreement with the EU on mutually recognising professional qualifications. Sticking plasters on a shit ideology that needs many many more. Other than that though?Which of his policies will look to repair the relationship and bring about closer integration?
Totally opposed to any greater integration and Brexit can work fine
Stop getting Brexit wrong, Labour’s born-again Brexiteer Starmer tells Tories
Rishi Sunak’s ‘total mismanagement of Brexit’ is the problem, Starmer argues.www.politico.eu
Isn’t that based on current GDP performance though? If he can grow the economy and GDP the budget deficit should shrink.His cast iron fiscal rules mean that he's promising cuts of £81bn over the life of the parliament, that £81bn being the budget deficit for day to day spending for the last full financial year. I mean those cuts could be a bit less in £ terms if his government is elected next year but it's very difficult to see where they're going to come from without stopping provision of some services altogether.
The whole philosophy of course is based on Margaret Thatcher's nonsensical household budget analogy.
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Isn’t that based on current GDP performance though? If he can grow the economy and GDP the budget deficit should shrink.
the problem is he doesn't see to have a plan to grow the economy other than this vague concept of 'reform', it's Johnsonesque bollocks.
It’s the same as my point on his brexit “policy”. He has as far as I can see one tangible plan in cutting business rates for small and medium sized businesses but aside from that it’s all vague intangible sound bites. You would hope at the conference he’s going to announce a full and tangible plan ahead of next year GE.the problem is he doesn't see to have a plan to grow the economy other than this vague concept of 'reform', it's Johnsonesque bollocks.
And Johnson’s vague idea of levelling up if implemented with a deliverable plan would be a way to grow the economy.Johnsons plan involved huge infrastructure investment. It was significantly better thought out!
Isn’t that based on current GDP performance though? If he can grow the economy and GDP the budget deficit should shrink.
Shock as he takes a more Brexit friendly tone in an article for the Express.
This is what he wants:
Starmer seeks closer EU ties to ease pressures – Daily Business
Sir Keir Starmer has indicated that he would seek a closer trading relationship with the European Union, including a more flexible approach to migration.dailybusinessgroup.co.uk
And he doesn't say he's opposed to any greater integration anyway
lol so he just says whatever the audience he’s with wants to hear
Like I said, he's making sure he wins an election.
You think he's pro Brexit?
'lol'
I don’t believe he will take us back into the EU and again the fact you are satisfied with someone who just wants to win above ideology is an extraordinary admission coming from you
A minute ago you said he wants no integration with the EU and now you're saying he won't take us back into the EU. Which is it? Because they are two very different things.
Well that’s my point - he says anything to suit an audience - pro Eu to one audience and make brexit work to another
Because it's possible to be pro EU and try and make brexit work. That is not saying two different things.
You said he wants no integration with the EU and then posted an article where he doesn't say that.
I can’t see any policy idea at all
I don't think the next general election will have anything to do with Brexit or the EU.I can’t see any policy idea at all where he says anything about actual closer integration with the EU in any article - what’s the idea?
Believe it or not but it also gets no coverage outside of the UK. The EU has well and truly moved on and there's going to be next to no appetite to revisit it now.I don't think the next general election will have anything to do with Brexit or the EU.
I can't imagine it being discussed much at the local food bank, or it being blamed when people are having their family homes repossessed.
I don't think the next general election will have anything to do with Brexit or the EU.
I can't imagine it being discussed much at the local food bank, or it being blamed when people are having their family homes repossessed.
Believe it or not but it also gets no coverage outside of the UK. The EU has well and truly moved on and there's going to be next to no appetite to revisit it now.
You’re right about this at least. He wants power more than anything, I doubt he cares who he tramples over in the process.A minute ago you said he wants no integration with the EU and now you're saying he won't take us back into the EU. Which is it? Because they are two very different things.
What point is there in having perfect ideology but never winning an election?
Winning an election is literally the aim of the game. Then he can be judged on ideology and policy.
That’d mean adopting the Euro, which I can’t see the UK going for. Something similar to the EEA is more likely in 20-30 years though, IMO.I'm not surprised it doesn't get any coverage outside the UK. We left and are largely an irrelevance them now.
It'll probably get a fair bit of coverage when we go back to them cap in hand at some point in the future.
That’d mean adopting the Euro, which I can’t see the UK going for. Something similar to the EEA is more likely in 20-30 years though, IMO.
Well. I’m willing to give him until he releases his official election manifesto before drawing final judgement on him but right now the biggest reason for voting labour is the aren’t the Tories. In some respects I think a change in government will be a trigger for growth simply because industry and business has lost faith in the government. Between government failure and brexit the UK has become an unattractive place to invest. At least a change in government will address one of those issues.It'd be interesting to see if any government has ever sustained economic growth in those conditions particularly from the UK's starting position.
The sort of stuff he's saying is straight out of the coalition government of 2010, it did not work for them or their successors, so why on earth would it work now?
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You’re right about this at least. He wants power more than anything, I doubt he cares who he tramples over in the process.
Well. I’m willing to give him until he releases his official election manifesto before drawing final judgement on him but right now the biggest reason for voting labour is the aren’t the Tories. In some respects I think a change in government will be a trigger for growth simply because industry and business has lost faith in the government. Between government failure and brexit the UK has become an unattractive place to invest. At least a change in government will address one of those issues.
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