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alexccfc99

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #29,436
skybluetony176 said:
Cowards.
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The ‘Red Wall’ MP’s won’t vote for it, the feeling amongst a lot of them is that they owe their seat to him

If he joins Reform before the next GE I can see a lot of them defecting
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #29,437
alexccfc99 said:
The ‘Red Wall’ MP’s won’t vote for it, the feeling amongst a lot of them is that they owe their seat to him

If he joins Reform before the next GE I can see a lot of them defecting
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You wouldn’t put it past him either. This is not the sort of challenge to his fragile ego he’s used to or expects. It wouldn’t take much eye fluttering from Reform, his ego would love it. Couple that with his hatred and not hidden desire to take down Sunak it really shouldn’t surprise anyone if it happens. Watching the Rees-Mogg interview on C4 News tonight the interview ended with questions on the possibility of Boris defecting. It’s almost as if the writing is on the wall. We’ll see.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 16, 2023
  • #29,438
Wasn’t the committee a majority of Conservatives with a couple of them being Brexiteers?
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 16, 2023
  • #29,439
Sick Boy said:
Wasn’t the committee a majority of Conservatives with a couple of them being Brexiteers?
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Yeah. As others have said, it's Trumpian the way hea behaving.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 16, 2023
  • #29,440
Sick Boy said:
Wasn’t the committee a majority of Conservatives with a couple of them being Brexiteers?
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They also voted unanimously on the findings. The idea that it was all Harriet Harmans doing as the likes of Rees-Mogg are trying to promote is ridiculous.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 16, 2023
  • #29,441
Sick Boy said:
Wasn’t the committee a majority of Conservatives with a couple of them being Brexiteers?
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4 tories
2 labour
1 snp
Chair labour
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 16, 2023
  • #29,442
Sky Blue Pete said:
4 tories
2 labour
1 snp
Chair labour
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The chair being included in those two Labour members, of course, so doesn't vote unless the vote is tied.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 16, 2023
  • #29,443
Sky Blue Pete said:
4 tories
2 labour
1 snp
Chair labour
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Doesn't parliament have to sign off on the committee?
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jun 16, 2023
  • #29,444
skybluetony176 said:
You wouldn’t put it past him either. This is not the sort of challenge to his fragile ego he’s used to or expects. It wouldn’t take much eye fluttering from Reform, his ego would love it. Couple that with his hatred and not hidden desire to take down Sunak it really shouldn’t surprise anyone if it happens. Watching the Rees-Mogg interview on C4 News tonight the interview ended with questions on the possibility of Boris defecting. It’s almost as if the writing is on the wall. We’ll see.
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That would be beautiful as it would kill the tories off for a decade

It'll be like labour in the 80s
 
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stupot07

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  • Jun 16, 2023
  • #29,445
Sick Boy said:
Wasn’t the committee a majority of Conservatives with a couple of them being Brexiteers?
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All 4 of the conservatives on the committee are Brexiteers

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stupot07

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  • Jun 16, 2023
  • #29,446
clint van damme said:
Doesn't parliament have to sign off on the committee?
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They do, and they did. They didn't vote on it because no one objected.

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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 16, 2023
  • #29,447
I’m happy it was a mistake for Harriet Harman not to recuse herself for perception but come on 4 breciteers on the committee
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 16, 2023
  • #29,448
Bloody reform
Reform what???
 

duffer

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  • Jun 16, 2023
  • #29,449
Sky Blue Pete said:
Would just mean more apathy
Decisions are taken by those that engage
Change what you can or maybe can be bothered to accept what you can’t ??
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Pete, as ever you are a man of reason and I know where you and others are coming from with this.

The truth is though, that I can't 'engage' with this version of the Labour party. They are becoming less and less aligned to the things that are important to me; equality of opportunity, a fairer distribution of wealth, proper support for the welfare state and NHS, protection of the environment (honesty from the leader would be nice too!).

Do I hold my nose and vote for a party I no longer believe in because the Tories are even worse, or do I hold true to my principles and vote for someone else (or indeed no one)?

I'm very much of the opinion that until we get some form of PR back on the table we're all hostages to two parties, neither of whom are particularly trustworthy, and both of whom see politics as a game to be won rather than as an instrument for genuine change.

Neither party offers a compelling vision of a Britain that I want my kids to grow up in. It is hugely depressing.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jun 16, 2023
  • #29,450

so he has far less support than he wants you to think
 
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  • Jun 16, 2023
  • #29,451
David O'Day said:

so he has far less support than he wants you to think
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So it's all a stitch-up... but don't oppose it.

Gotcha.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 16, 2023
  • #29,452
Redirect Notice
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 16, 2023
  • #29,453
David O'Day said:

so he has far less support than he wants you to think
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Exactly what he did after Truss was ousted. Him and his cult tried to blag he had or would have the numbers to get on the ballot paper knowing full well he didn’t and wouldn’t. Presumably in the hope that Sunak would buy it, pull out leaving Boris the only candidate and therefore take the job by default.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 16, 2023
  • #29,454
Sweet Jesus

Ex-police watchdog chief Michael Lockwood charged with raping girl under 16 and indecent assault

The 64-year-old stepped down from his role at the IOPC in December after it emerged he was the subject of a police probe into a historical allegation.
news.sky.com

What chance have we got?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 16, 2023
  • #29,455
A very hypothetical question but what happens to the 90 day suspension now he’s resigned?

Suppose he stood in one of the by-elections as and independent or a member of another party and then got elected to parliament. Was the slate wiped clean (so to speak) because he resigned or would he be instantly subject to a 90 day suspension triggering a by-election? If he wants to continue his political career it must be the former? Or is the real reason Nads hasn’t officially resigned is to let 90 days pass from the vote on Monday, then resign leaving Boris to run for her seat? I would think if he’s still a member of the conservatives he could in theory be selected to run by the local party and run as the Tory candidate, he wouldn’t even have to resign the party and run as an independent or join another party. Got a feeling that this isn’t over yet. Sunak could be in for a rough ride.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 16, 2023
  • #29,456
clint van damme said:
Sweet Jesus

Ex-police watchdog chief Michael Lockwood charged with raping girl under 16 and indecent assault

The 64-year-old stepped down from his role at the IOPC in December after it emerged he was the subject of a police probe into a historical allegation.
news.sky.com

What chance have we got?
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They often hide in plain sight if the opportunity is there. Just look at all the world of entertainment. Savile, Harris, Glitter, Schofield. Then there’s the culture within the police force.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 16, 2023
  • #29,457
clint van damme said:
Sweet Jesus

Ex-police watchdog chief Michael Lockwood charged with raping girl under 16 and indecent assault

The 64-year-old stepped down from his role at the IOPC in December after it emerged he was the subject of a police probe into a historical allegation.
news.sky.com

What chance have we got?
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Wow
You know thought that the line between good and evil is drawn between each of us and so this shouldn’t come as a surprise.
Was reading a parole decision about pitchfork and how he was recalled to prison and later it was found there was ok evidence to make that decision
If we assume a person because of their role or background is either telling the truth or lying purely based on their role or background we will continually see issues like this
Evidential based decision making is what we need
We won’t get it though
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 16, 2023
  • #29,458
So Johnson has a new job writing a column in the Mail starting Saturday and guess what. He’s broke the rules again. Given his position as a former minister he’s required to apply for approval before accepting the job. No suggestion that it wouldn’t have been approved but the fact is he just didn’t bother applying for the approval and accepted the job. Once again he believes that the usual parliamentary rules don’t apply to him. But he’s the real victim.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 17, 2023
  • #29,459
This really is disgusting from the leader's speech writer, straight up racism.

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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 17, 2023
  • #29,460
fernandopartridge said:
This really is disgusting from the leader's speech writer, straight up racism.

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Should be sacked, no debate
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jun 17, 2023
  • #29,461
fernandopartridge said:
This really is disgusting from the leader's speech writer, straight up racism.

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Why was Sunak watching the first ball of the ashes over 2 hours after it happened? Almost like he doesn’t give a shit but his PR team told him to do it
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jun 17, 2023
  • #29,462
Another Tory resigns as an MP, this is the coke and sex offences one

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David O'Day

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  • Jun 18, 2023
  • #29,463
Also the person who has been storing the Tory party video's until now? Well played


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SomersetSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 18, 2023
  • #29,464
At least we have less than a year left of these crooks and liars in government, can’t wait for next May!!!
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 18, 2023
  • #29,465
David O'Day said:
Also the person who has been storing the Tory party video's until now? Well played


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Shit party too. May as well not had it.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 18, 2023
  • #29,466
skybluetony176 said:
Shit party too. May as well not had it.
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tories innit
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Jun 18, 2023
  • #29,467
And to think people were being fined for doing less. No scruples.

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clint van damme

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  • Jun 18, 2023
  • #29,468
I really hope they go after the people responsible for embezzling money from the furlough scheme and PPE contracts now.

There are people who really should be in jail.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 18, 2023
  • #29,469
clint van damme said:
I really hope they go after the people responsible for embezzling money from the furlough scheme and PPE contracts now.

There are people who really should be in jail.
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Can’t see it in this parliament. Too many Tory cronies involved for the Tories to do it. It might be for the next government to do it. You would think they would for political gain too given that it’s largely Tory cronies who benefited, especially where PPE is concerned. The next government needs to seriously look at who was given a golden visa and start taking them back. All these Russians with Putin connections should be the starting point with a full deployment of the unexplained wealth laws too.
 
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dutchman

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  • Jun 18, 2023
  • #29,470
David O'Day said:
Also the person who has been storing the Tory party video's until now? Well played
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Wouldn't the best time be just before a general election?
 
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