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PVA

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  • May 7, 2023
  • #28,841
Grendel said:
Says the person who has PVA as his only friend
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You've made as many posts in the last week as I've made in the last month.
 

dutchman

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  • May 7, 2023
  • #28,842
Surprising criticism from the Tory newspaper:

Sunak’s Tories have lost the Red Wall – and are destined for oblivion

Those who lent their votes to the party in 2019 feel betrayed. Little that they were promised has been delivered
www.telegraph.co.uk
 

fernandopartridge

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  • May 7, 2023
  • #28,843
PVA said:
@fernandopartridge it won't let me quote you for some reason, but you should probably read the whole article where he answers that question
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I read it all the way through
 
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PVA

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  • May 7, 2023
  • #28,844
fernandopartridge said:
I read it all the way through
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Ok so you decided to just post the open question, because that fits your agenda, and not the bit where he answered the question, because that doesn't fit your agenda. Fair enough.
 
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Grendel

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  • May 7, 2023
  • #28,845
PVA said:
Ok so you decided to just post the open question, because that fits your agenda, and not the bit where he answered the question, because that doesn't fit your agenda. Fair enough.
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So what’s his agenda?
 
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PVA

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  • May 7, 2023
  • #28,846
Grendel said:
So what’s his agenda?
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That it was a piss poor election for Labour. I think that was quite obvious, even for someone with your deduction skills.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,847
PVA said:
That it was a piss poor election for Labour. I think that was quite obvious, even for someone with your deduction skills.
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It's not an agenda, it is a fact that of the seats shed by the Tories that Labour won less than half of them.

It would be interesting to know how many council seats were won in a non Labour constituency. I'm sure somebody as positive as you are would know this information and could share it?
 
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shmmeee

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,848
fernandopartridge said:
It's not an agenda, it is a fact that of the seats shed by the Tories that Labour won less than half of them.

It would be interesting to know how many council seats were won in a non Labour constituency. I'm sure somebody as positive as you are would know this information and could share it?
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A Labour win comes with Lib Dem/Green success in a lot of Tory areas. Convincing people it’s safe to leave the Tories for those parties is a huge part of the strategy. You’re comparing to 2019 where the Tories lost 1,330 councillors and Corbyn picked up… -84

These seats were already decimated and they got another kicking. This is a very good result for Labour no matter how much copium people huff .
 
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Grendel

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,849
Deleted member 5849 said:
I'm a bit scared that I seem to be moving to an area where Andrea Leadsom is the MP...
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Are you sad you never managed to get south enough to be Peter Bones?
 
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PVA

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,850
fernandopartridge said:
It's not an agenda, it is a fact that of the seats shed by the Tories that Labour won less than half of them.

It would be interesting to know how many council seats were won in a non Labour constituency. I'm sure somebody as positive as you are would know this information and could share it?
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It is an agenda when you gleefully posted this bit:

"The prospects of Sunak remaining prime minister after the next election look as bleak as ever. But it remains an open question whether Keir Starmer will enjoy an overall majority in the next parliament or end up leading a minority government, and having to prepare for a second election within a year to 18 months, as Harold Wilson did after Labour’s narrow victories in 1964 and 1974."


But ignored this bit:

" Moreover, that understates Labour’s real lead. In recent years Labour has tended to do worse, and the Lib Dems better, in local than national elections. As a broad-brush estimate, we can add 5-10 points to Labour’s local election lead to obtain a rough sense of the outcome of a snap general election held on Thursday. This puts Labour 14-19 points ahead – which broadly covers the range of recent opinion polls.

These figures would give Labour a clear overall majority. "
 

Grendel

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,851
PVA said:
It is an agenda when you gleefully posted this bit:

"The prospects of Sunak remaining prime minister after the next election look as bleak as ever. But it remains an open question whether Keir Starmer will enjoy an overall majority in the next parliament or end up leading a minority government, and having to prepare for a second election within a year to 18 months, as Harold Wilson did after Labour’s narrow victories in 1964 and 1974."


But ignored this bit:

" Moreover, that understates Labour’s real lead. In recent years Labour has tended to do worse, and the Lib Dems better, in local than national elections. As a broad-brush estimate, we can add 5-10 points to Labour’s local election lead to obtain a rough sense of the outcome of a snap general election held on Thursday. This puts Labour 14-19 points ahead – which broadly covers the range of recent opinion polls.

These figures would give Labour a clear overall majority. "
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Why haven’t you answered his question?
 
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PVA

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,852
Grendel said:
Why haven’t you answered his question?
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You and the left when Labour took the lead in the polls

 
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clint van damme

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,853
When your country is absolute car crash what you need to halt the decline is a leader who can carry a sword

 

Grendel

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,854
clint van damme said:
When your country is absolute car crash what you need to halt the decline is a leader who can carry a sword

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Or Sir Keir and Big Ed as a dream ticket - seems to do the trick for some
 

Grendel

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,855
PVA said:
You and the left when Labour took the lead in the polls

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Excellent political analysis.
 

clint van damme

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,856
Grendel said:
Or Sir Keir and Big Ed as a dream ticket - seems to do the trick for some
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Think I'd prefer Ed to Keith!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,857
clint van damme said:
When your country is absolute car crash what you need to halt the decline is a leader who can carry a sword

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I think they’re focusing on something else in the picture
 
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Grendel

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,858
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I think they’re focusing on something else in the picture
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The highlight of the coronation
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,859
The only party the council elections were a car crash for was the Tories. Labour could certainly have done better but it wasn’t a disaster by any measure. I think Lib Dem’s had an exceptional performance but I’m not sure that will translate to a GE performance, I don’t think they’ll necessarily worry Labour in their target seats but they definitely have the Tories worryingly looking over their shoulders. The Stratford seat must be a major worry especially if Zahawi doesn’t step down at the next GE which I think he’s resisting so far. I am starting to think SickBoy might have a point in predicting a hung parliament but it’s so hard to tell of the back of council elections, they’re not always the best measure of what will happen at a GE.
 
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SBT

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,860
clint van damme said:
When your country is absolute car crash what you need to halt the decline is a leader who can carry a sword

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Strange women distributing swords is no basis for a system of government
 
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Grendel

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,861
skybluetony176 said:
The only party the council elections were a car crash for was the Tories. Labour could certainly have done better but it wasn’t a disaster by any measure. I think Lib Dem’s had an exceptional performance but I’m not sure that will translate to a GE performance, I don’t think they’ll necessarily worry Labour in their target seats but they definitely have the Tories worryingly looking over their shoulders. The Stratford seat must be a major test
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I assume then it’s the Reform Party for you Tony - surely the only party you haven’t voted for in the last decade
 

Grendel

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,862
SBT said:
Strange women distributing swords is no basis for a system of government
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Hopefully she can drop it on Dom Jolly
 

Ian1779

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,863
clint van damme said:
When your country is absolute car crash what you need to halt the decline is a leader who can carry a sword

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I wasn’t expecting to get pics from Season 6 of the Handmaids Tale this soon….
 
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PVA

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,864
Grendel said:
Excellent political analysis.
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This you?

Grendel said:
Sir Korma needs a hotter curry
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Grendel said:
Poor Sir Beer
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Grendel said:
Sir Beer had better get his kilt out quick.
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skybluetony176

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,865
Grendel said:
I assume then it’s the Reform Party for you Tony - surely the only party you haven’t voted for in the last decade
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I’d rather circumcise myself with a chainsaw. Whoever has the best chance of keeping a Tory out between Labour, Lib Dem or Green will be who I’ll be voting for. Other than that I’ll spoil my ballot paper.
 

Grendel

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,866
PVA said:
This you?
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But PVA as someone whose apparently gone to one of the top 10 universities in the UK - something very few - if any other forum member - can boast then surely we would expect far more gravitas

We are mere mortals that wait for your in depth political analysis

Why do you keep us waiting?
 
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PVA

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,867
Grendel said:
But PVA as someone whose apparently gone to one of the top 10 universities in the UK - something very few - if any other forum member - can boast then surely we would expect far more gravitas

We are mere mortals that wait for your in depth political analysis

Why do you keep us waiting?
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It's hilarious how pathetically thin skinned and bitter you are.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,868
fernandopartridge said:
It's not an agenda, it is a fact that of the seats shed by the Tories that Labour won less than half of them.

It would be interesting to know how many council seats were won in a non Labour constituency. I'm sure somebody as positive as you are would know this information and could share it?
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I think you can look at it two ways.

Local elections people are more willing to vote for smaller/minority parties as they don't think it matters as much. Give a bloody nose to the established parties.

But at the same time you can argue that when it comes to a GE people tend to go with what they know, and right-wing/older voters will tend to stick with the Tories for fear of anyone left getting in, so you could see the Tories winning more seats than expected due to that.

We don't know might happen over the next 12-18months, but if nothing massively changes I expect much of the Red Wall to go back to Labour, Scotland may be more open to the LD's and labour (maybe even Green's) given what's happening with the SNP and a number of marginals will swing away from the Tories, probably to Labour, due to the shitshow of the last few years.

So at the moment I think Labour would certainly have the most seats, and probably just enough to be in government.
 
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shmmeee

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,869
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I think you can look at it two ways.

Local elections people are more willing to vote for smaller/minority parties as they don't think it matters as much. Give a bloody nose to the established parties.

But at the same time you can argue that when it comes to a GE people tend to go with what they know, and right-wing/older voters will tend to stick with the Tories for fear of anyone left getting in, so you could see the Tories winning more seats than expected due to that.

We don't know might happen over the next 12-18months, but if nothing massively changes I expect much of the Red Wall to go back to Labour, Scotland may be more open to the LD's and labour (maybe even Green's) given what's happening with the SNP and a number of marginals will swing away from the Tories, probably to Labour, due to the shitshow of the last few years.

So at the moment I think Labour would certainly have the most seats, and probably just enough to be in government.
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Most LE voters are the more hardcore, and less likely to switch. And the lower the turnout the truer that is.
 

Grendel

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,870
Get in!!!!
 

Grendel

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,871
Incredible work Kelly
 

duffer

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,872
SBT said:
Strange women distributing swords is no basis for a system of government
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Good use of the reference...
 

Paul Anthony

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,873
SBT said:
Strange women distributing swords is no basis for a system of government
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Ah, but you see, you don't vote for kings!
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,874
Paul Anthony said:
Ah, but you see, you don't vote for kings!
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No, but people are saying Penny Mordaunt for next Tory leader/PM because she gave a sword to a king.
 

Paul Anthony

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  • May 8, 2023
  • #28,875
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
No, but people are saying Penny Mordaunt for next Tory leader/PM because she gave a sword to a king.
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I think you may have missed the reference in my quote....may have been slightly out of context, to be fair.
 
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