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fatso

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  • May 6, 2023
  • #28,806
chiefdave said:
They weren’t far off saying that

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Overly inflammatory imho
 
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rob9872

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  • May 6, 2023
  • #28,807
clint van damme said:
Was looking this morning, 6/4.
Lab/Lib coalition, 8/1.
Surely if its a hung parliament it will be a lab/lib coalition won't it?
@rob9872 you're the closest we've got to a gambling expert! What do you think?
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Not sure of that, but thanks .... I think

Tbh I think I'd go hung at smaller odds than coalition. I realise it's Labour this time but the last one did them so much damage and they're only just recovering. Personally I'd assume an agreement where a few concessions are made for regular voting alongside them than a formal coalition.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 6, 2023
  • #28,808
rob9872 said:
Not sure of that, but thanks .... I think

Tbh I think I'd go hung at smaller odds than coalition. I realise it's Labour this time but the last one did them so much damage and they're only just recovering. Personally I'd assume an agreement where a few concessions are made for regular voting alongside them than a formal coalition.
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Last time was as much abandoning a couple of key policies for a stab at power though, and they'd built their base under Kennedy in particular as being left of Labour on taxation etc, and targeted student areas for their votes too... who weren't pleased at the tuition fees policy being scrapped!!

Last time, Labour and Lib Dem were a better match if there was going to be a coalition, but Brown and Clegg didn't get on. This time? Fuck knows what the Lib Dems stand for(!) but I couldn't see it being as disastrous for them if they went into a Labour coalition as their last effort was.

Ultimately depends how many seats they get too, even if a hung parliament it'd be hard to justify a coalition if they only had 9-10 seats. 20-ish+ and it's another matter.
 

fatso

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  • May 6, 2023
  • #28,809
rob9872 said:
Not sure of that, but thanks .... I think

Tbh I think I'd go hung at smaller odds than coalition. I realise it's Labour this time but the last one did them so much damage and they're only just recovering. Personally I'd assume an agreement where a few concessions are made for regular voting alongside them than a formal coalition.
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The danger could be that the anti tory vote gets split.
 

David O'Day

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  • May 6, 2023
  • #28,810
clint van damme said:
Was looking this morning, 6/4.
Lab/Lib coalition, 8/1.
Surely if its a hung parliament it will be a lab/lib coalition won't it?
@rob9872 you're the closest we've got to a gambling expert! What do you think?
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yeah a hung parliment is a lab/lib coalition
 

David O'Day

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  • May 6, 2023
  • #28,811
Deleted member 5849 said:
Last time was as much abandoning a couple of key policies for a stab at power though, and they'd built their base under Kennedy in particular as being left of Labour on taxation etc, and targeted student areas for their votes too... who weren't pleased at the tuition fees policy being scrapped!!

Last time, Labour and Lib Dem were a better match if there was going to be a coalition, but Brown and Clegg didn't get on. This time? Fuck knows what the Lib Dems stand for(!) but I couldn't see it being as disastrous for them if they went into a Labour coalition as their last effort was.

Ultimately depends how many seats they get too, even if a hung parliament it'd be hard to justify a coalition if they only had 9-10 seats. 20-ish+ and it's another matter.
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if the locals voting carries over they will have more than 20 seats
 

rob9872

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  • May 6, 2023
  • #28,812
David O'Day said:
yeah a hung parliment is a lab/lib coalition
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Doesn't have to be a formal coalition though and I think the smaller price is a much safer bet.
 

Ian1779

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  • May 6, 2023
  • #28,813
rob9872 said:
Doesn't have to be a formal coalition though and I think the smaller price is a much safer bet.
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What odds on a Lab/Con coalition if Starmer gets to be the top guy?

Reckon he’d be all over it.
 

rob9872

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  • May 6, 2023
  • #28,814
Ian1779 said:
What odds on a Lab/Con coalition if Starmer gets to be the top guy?

Reckon he’d be all over it.
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I'm sure he would and I assume with largest party he'd be pm regardless, its more whether the lib dems would risk it (imo)
 

clint van damme

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  • May 6, 2023
  • #28,815
David O'Day said:
yeah a hung parliment is a lab/lib coalition
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I can't understand why there's such a disparity in odds,unless they're thinking of someone else being part of the coalition but that would then be shoeter odds.
 

David O'Day

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  • May 6, 2023
  • #28,816
clint van damme said:
I can't understand why there's such a disparity in odds,unless they're thinking of someone else being part of the coalition but that would then be shoeter odds.
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can't see labour/snp and the lib dem won't go in with the tories again

anyone who would join the tories will have at most a handful of seats
 

JAM See

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  • May 6, 2023
  • #28,817
clint van damme said:
I was never a royalist but wasn't a republican. I just thought it was a load of bollocks that I had no interest in.
But between Andrews noncing, the queen's funeral and today I think I've been converted into a full on abolitionist!
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SBbucks

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  • May 6, 2023
  • #28,818
Ian1779 said:
What odds on a Lab/Con coalition if Starmer gets to be the top guy?

Reckon he’d be all over it.
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Not a cat in hells chance



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chiefdave

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  • May 6, 2023
  • #28,819
Seems its not just potential protesters being randomly arrested.

 
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clint van damme

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  • May 6, 2023
  • #28,820
chiefdave said:
Seems its not just potential protesters being randomly arrested.

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Should have told them they were out at that time looking to rape or murder someone, they'd have let them on their way after putting them in their WhatsApp group
 
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PVA

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  • May 6, 2023
  • #28,821
But I thought Labour was rejected at the ballot box yesterday with that piss poor performance?


 

David O'Day

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  • May 6, 2023
  • #28,822
PVA said:
But I thought Labour was rejected at the ballot box yesterday with that piss poor performance?


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There's a good piece from the guy you used to run yougov explaining how you you can maybe a 10% to the labour vote if it is a GE

But if the next GE is the same as this election the tories are out of power anyway
 

fernandopartridge

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  • May 7, 2023
  • #28,823
This is interesting, gives some numbers to my feeling that Labour is generally just winning back seats it has recently held anyway

 
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Grendel

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  • May 7, 2023
  • #28,824
fernandopartridge said:
This is interesting, gives some numbers to my feeling that Labour is generally just winning back seats it has recently held anyway

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Indeed

Labour general election win is still uncertain, says Prof John Curtice

Polling expert pours cold water on Keir Starmer’s claim that his party is on track to secure a majority despite local council victories
www.telegraph.co.uk
 
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PVA

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  • May 7, 2023
  • #28,825
Yes let's ignore the actual general election polling and instead look at the results of a totally different poll.
 
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Grendel

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  • May 7, 2023
  • #28,826
PVA said:
Yes let's ignore the actual general election polling and instead look at the results of a totally different poll.
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Yes let’s look at PVA above one of the most respected analysts in this field

It wasn’t a poll by the way it was an election
 
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PVA

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  • May 7, 2023
  • #28,827
Grendel said:
Yes let’s look at PVA above one of the most respected analysts in this field

It wasn’t a poll by the way it was an election
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Yeah because LD and Greens are going to get like 40% of the GE vote. Great extrapolation.

It shows the Tories are utterly fucked. That's about the only conclusion you can draw from it. It's totally different to a general election vote.
 
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PVA

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  • May 7, 2023
  • #28,828
And he also said this, the same as what I'm saying, but that doesn't fit with your agenda:


 
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Grendel

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  • May 7, 2023
  • #28,829
PVA said:
Yeah because LD and Greens are going to get like 40% of the GE vote. Great extrapolation.

It shows the Tories are utterly fucked. That's about the only conclusion you can draw from it. It's totally different to a general election vote.
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You’ve drawn a conclusion it’s a labour landslide
 

Grendel

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  • May 7, 2023
  • #28,830
PVA said:
And he also said this, the same as what I'm saying, but that doesn't fit with your agenda:


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That was a very short interview
 
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PVA

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  • May 7, 2023
  • #28,831
Grendel said:
You’ve drawn a conclusion it’s a labour landslide
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Keep going, you're so close to getting it.
 
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PVA

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  • May 7, 2023
  • #28,832
Grendel said:
That was a very short interview
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As short as the interview you posted.

He also said you can't draw too much from the vote share because people are far more likely to vote Green or LD in a local election.

But again, that doesn't fit your agenda.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • May 7, 2023
  • #28,833
PVA said:
As short as the interview you posted.

He also said you can't draw too much from the vote share because people are far more likely to vote Green or LD in a local election.

But again, that doesn't fit your agenda.
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peter kellner said the same

still what do they know compared to a an internet troll from coventry
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • May 7, 2023
  • #28,834
David O'Day said:
peter kellner said the same

still what do they know compared to a an internet troll from coventry
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Those Lib Dem gains of council seats in the Tory heartlands like Maidstone, they're going Labour at the GE yeah?
 
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PVA

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  • May 7, 2023
  • #28,835
David O'Day said:
peter kellner said the same

still what do they know compared to a an internet troll from coventry
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Yes I wonder why he didn't post this one


The local picture is good for Keir Starmer – the national predictions look even better | Peter Kellner

Evidence of a tactical pincer movement to defeat the Tories shows how worried they should be about the general election, says former YouGov president Peter Kellner
www.theguardian.com
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • May 7, 2023
  • #28,836
PVA said:
Yes I wonder why he didn't post this one


The local picture is good for Keir Starmer – the national predictions look even better | Peter Kellner

Evidence of a tactical pincer movement to defeat the Tories shows how worried they should be about the general election, says former YouGov president Peter Kellner
www.theguardian.com
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The prospects of Sunak remaining prime minister after the next election look as bleak as ever. But it remains an open question whether Keir Starmer will enjoy an overall majority in the next parliament or end up leading a minority government, and having to prepare for a second election within a year to 18 months, as Harold Wilson did after Labour’s narrow victories in 1964 and 1974.
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PVA

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  • May 7, 2023
  • #28,837
@fernandopartridge it won't let me quote you for some reason, but you should probably read the whole article where he answers that question
 
Last edited: May 7, 2023

shmmeee

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  • May 7, 2023
  • #28,838
rob9872 said:
Not sure of that, but thanks .... I think

Tbh I think I'd go hung at smaller odds than coalition. I realise it's Labour this time but the last one did them so much damage and they're only just recovering. Personally I'd assume an agreement where a few concessions are made for regular voting alongside them than a formal coalition.
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Yeah it’ll be confidence and supply at worst. TBH I don’t see why they’d need it. Most Labour manifesto stuff would be backed by the SNP Greens and softer LDs or their voters would get annoyed. And the stuff that’s too right wing for them would probably get some Tories on board.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • May 7, 2023
  • #28,839
PVA said:
Yes I wonder why he didn't post this one


The local picture is good for Keir Starmer – the national predictions look even better | Peter Kellner

Evidence of a tactical pincer movement to defeat the Tories shows how worried they should be about the general election, says former YouGov president Peter Kellner
www.theguardian.com
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just smile and laugh at him, he's a sad lonely man
 

Grendel

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  • May 7, 2023
  • #28,840
David O'Day said:
just smile and laugh at him, he's a sad lonely man
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Says the person who has PVA as his only friend
 
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