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David O'Day

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  • Mar 30, 2023
  • #28,141
Ian1779 said:
Would love to see this prick lose his seat.
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Not going to happen
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 30, 2023
  • #28,142
David O'Day said:
Not going to happen
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He's not exactly sitting on a big majority, Tory vote there is pretty consistent. I'd be surprised but would laugh if he lost his seat
 

Ian1779

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  • Mar 30, 2023
  • #28,143
David O'Day said:
Not going to happen
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You are right - the only reason he’s sitting on any kind of majority at all is because of Corbyn.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 30, 2023
  • #28,144
Ian1779 said:
You are right - the only reason he’s sitting on any kind of majority at all is because of Corbyn.
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really? in ilford where the locals have dumped the other corbynite mp?
 

Ian1779

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  • Mar 30, 2023
  • #28,145
David O'Day said:
really? in ilford where the locals have dumped the other corbynite mp?
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You mean the Starmer sponsored coup of Rayner’s boyfriend?

2015 majority was less than 600
2017 majority was over 9000
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 30, 2023
  • #28,146
Ian1779 said:
You mean the Starmer sponsored coup of Rayner’s boyfriend?

2015 majority was less than 600
2017 majority was over 9000
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no, i mean the local party actually getting the candidate they wanted in 2019 but where blocked from selecting due to a corbyn coup

it's the local members who trigger balloted and then deselected

Sam Tarry deselected as MP by Ilford South Labour members

Jas Athwal, leader of Redbridge council, wins hustings vote by 499 to 361 after constituency triggered reselection
www.theguardian.com


Streeting, vote share was down in 2019 due to corbyn, it'll go up again next election
 

clint van damme

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  • Mar 30, 2023
  • #28,147
David O'Day said:
no, i mean the local party actually getting the candidate they wanted in 2019 but where blocked from selecting due to a corbyn coup

it's the local members who trigger balloted and then deselected

Sam Tarry deselected as MP by Ilford South Labour members

Jas Athwal, leader of Redbridge council, wins hustings vote by 499 to 361 after constituency triggered reselection
www.theguardian.com


Streeting, vote share was down in 2019 due to corbyn, it'll go up again next election
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His self referral nonsense is straight out of the tory play book. He's going to be a disaster and will be a loggerheads with medical professionals from day 1 in my opinion
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 30, 2023
  • #28,148
clint van damme said:
His self referral nonsense is straight out of the tory play book. He's going to be a disaster and will be a loggerheads with medical professionals from day 1 in my opinion
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No, no he won't

The family members who are medical don't see him as any kind of problem.
 

clint van damme

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  • Mar 30, 2023
  • #28,149
David O'Day said:
No, no he won't

The family members who are medical don't see him as any kind of problem.
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Plenty do. He's already been criticised by the BMA and he's not endeared himself to junior doctors.
Surely you can see that self referal plan is absolute madness?
If Steve Barclay came out with it you'd be slating him.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 30, 2023
  • #28,150
clint van damme said:
Plenty do. He's already been criticised by the BMA and he's not endeared himself to junior doctors.
Surely you can see that self referal plan is absolute madness?
If Steve Barclay came out with it you'd be slating him.
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Junior Doctors on the whole are ok with him, this is from the mouths of actual juniors doctors though so I guess the press maybe more accurate.
 

Ian1779

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  • Mar 30, 2023
  • #28,151
David O'Day said:
no, i mean the local party actually getting the candidate they wanted in 2019 but where blocked from selecting due to a corbyn coup

it's the local members who trigger balloted and then deselected

Sam Tarry deselected as MP by Ilford South Labour members

Jas Athwal, leader of Redbridge council, wins hustings vote by 499 to 361 after constituency triggered reselection
www.theguardian.com


Streeting, vote share was down in 2019 due to corbyn, it'll go up again next election
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Streetings majority went down in 2019 due to Brexit position, suggesting anything else is laughable.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 30, 2023
  • #28,152
Ian1779 said:
Streetings majority went down in 2019 due to Brexit position, suggesting anything else is laughable.
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You mean in Redbridge? An area that was pro remain? I doorstepped in both Ilford seats in 2019 and it wasn't Brexit that was the issue in London.

Also to say the replacing of an MP the locals didn't want with their actual first choice is a "starmer coup" is frankly laughable
 

Ian1779

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  • Mar 30, 2023
  • #28,153
David O'Day said:
You mean in Redbridge? An area that was pro remain? I doorstepped in both Ilford seats in 2019 and it wasn't Brexit that was the issue in London.

Also to say the replacing of an MP the locals didn't want with their actual first choice is a "starmer coup" is frankly laughable
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To be fair there were claims by Tarry about the voting integrity but no more news on that from came out, so maybe his protests were unsubstantiated.
 

SomersetSB

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  • Mar 30, 2023
  • #28,154
Starmer and Rayner down my way today, they seemed to come across well being as Swindon has two Tory mp’s that are marginal seats.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Mar 30, 2023
  • #28,155
David O'Day said:
Junior Doctors on the whole are ok with him, this is from the mouths of actual juniors doctors though so I guess the press maybe more accurate.
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I'm sure some doctors are OK with him, in the same way some teachers are tories, but he's already clashed with the BMA and he's not even in office.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 31, 2023
  • #28,156
The irony of watching brexiteer Kemi Badenoch doing the media rounds selling joining the CPTPP with project fear. A trading block that only one country has ever left, the USA. The reason they gave for leaving? They had to give up too much sovereignty. If we wasn’t through the looking glass before, we are now.

Also democracy doesn’t matter anymore. We’re not going to be offered a referendum on joining this trading bloc.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 31, 2023
  • #28,157
skybluetony176 said:
The irony of watching brexiteer Kemi Badenoch doing the media rounds selling joining the CPTPP with project fear. A trading block that only one country has ever left, the USA. The reason they gave for leaving? They had to give up too much sovereignty. If we wasn’t through the looking glass before, we are now.

Also democracy doesn’t matter anymore. We’re not going to be offered a referendum on joining this trading bloc.
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You’re definitely listening to James Obrien, he was proud of the no referendum comment . We’d need a referendum on every trade deal if that was the case though ? It’s a free/low tariff trade bloc not a political institution that the EU had become. If EU had stayed as a trading bloc we’d have never have needed a vote, let alone left.

Ive only seen initial reports but it looks like a positive step, so not sure why certain people are focussing on the negatives….well I do, I guess it makes potentially rejoining EU in future harder. It won’t make a huge direct difference to gdp in short term but longer term its likely to be beneficial, especially as more countries look to join it. It also helps us and thereby Europe, get/remain closer politically to key nations and allies elsewhere in the world

Ps Didn’t Obama join the TTP and then Trump (protectionist) leave ? If so, I know which ones judgement I’m more likely to trust. Taiwans looking to join and China applied to join in 2021 so don’t be surprised if US tries to do something with the group as part of their ongoing battle with China
 

clint van damme

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  • Mar 31, 2023
  • #28,158
CCFCSteve said:
You’re definitely listening to James Obrien, he was proud of the no referendum comment . We’d need a referendum on every trade deal if that was the case though ? It’s a free/low tariff trade bloc not a political institution that the EU had become. If EU had stayed as a trading bloc we’d have never have needed a vote, let alone left.

Ive only seen initial reports but it looks like a positive step, so not sure why certain people are focussing on the negatives….well I do, I guess it makes potentially rejoining EU in future harder. It won’t make a huge direct difference to gdp in short term but longer term its likely to be beneficial, especially as more countries look to join it. It also helps us and thereby Europe, get/remain closer politically to key nations and allies elsewhere in the world

Ps Didn’t Obama join the TTP and then Trump (protectionist) leave ? If so, I know which ones judgement I’m more likely to trust. Taiwans looking to join and China applied to join in 2021 so don’t be surprised if US tries to do something with the group as part of their ongoing battle with China
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Will only increase GDP by 0.08% in the next decade and we already have free trade agreements with several counties in the bloc which are rollovers from when we were in the EU.
I think the hope is that the amount of trade will increase as the countries in the bloc develop and bigger fish will come on board, (there's talk of the States reversing Trumps reversal).
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 31, 2023
  • #28,159
clint van damme said:
Will only increase GDP by 0.08% in the next decade and we already have free trade agreements with several counties in the bloc which are rollovers from when we were in the EU.
I think the hope is that the amount of trade will increase as the countries in the bloc develop and bigger fish will come on board, (there's talk of the States reversing Trumps reversal).
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It’s is. Thats what I was saying. Wont make a huge immediate difference. I see it as positive rather than negative though
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 31, 2023
  • #28,160
CCFCSteve said:
You’re definitely listening to James Obrien, he was proud of the no referendum comment . We’d need a referendum on every trade deal if that was the case though ? It’s a free/low tariff trade bloc not a political institution that the EU had become. If EU had stayed as a trading bloc we’d have never have needed a vote, let alone left.

Ive only seen initial reports but it looks like a positive step, so not sure why certain people are focussing on the negatives….well I do, I guess it makes potentially rejoining EU in future harder. It won’t make a huge direct difference to gdp in short term but longer term its likely to be beneficial, especially as more countries look to join it. It also helps us and thereby Europe, get/remain closer politically to key nations and allies elsewhere in the world

Ps Didn’t Obama join the TTP and then Trump (protectionist) leave ? If so, I know which ones judgement I’m more likely to trust. Taiwans looking to join and China applied to join in 2021 so don’t be surprised if US tries to do something with the group as part of their ongoing battle with China
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Didnt the Yanks leave because it was an affront to their sovereignty?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 31, 2023
  • #28,161
shmmeee said:
Didnt the Yanks leave because it was an affront to their sovereignty?
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The hilarious thing is they're joining the EU in 2024
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 31, 2023
  • #28,162
Deleted member 5849 said:
The hilarious thing is they're joining the EU in 2024
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The Yanks??
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 31, 2023
  • #28,163
shmmeee said:
The Yanks??
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Yep.
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 31, 2023
  • #28,164
Deleted member 5849 said:
Yep.
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You’re doing that thing where your wit is too dry again aren’t you?
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 31, 2023
  • #28,165

Corbyn seen as barrier for Labour at next election, new poll suggests – Omnisis

www.omnisis.co.uk


 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 31, 2023
  • #28,166
shmmeee said:
Didnt the Yanks leave because it was an affront to their sovereignty?
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Think that’s what trump said
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 31, 2023
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shmmeee said:
You’re doing that thing where your wit is too dry again aren’t you?
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It's the ever circular thing though isn't it, *something* has to be at fault for us not all eating the finest chocolate layered with gold leaf, so we always look at other things and think how much better they are.

only to find that they aren't.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Mar 31, 2023
  • #28,168
Ironically though the US and EU are talking about a new limited trade deal off the back of Bidens climate legislation dismantling barriers to trade between the US and EU. EU to the front of the queue.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 31, 2023
  • #28,169
skybluetony176 said:
Ironically though the US and EU are talking about a new limited trade deal off the back of Bidens climate legislation dismantling barriers to trade between the US and EU. EU to the front of the queue.
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Isnt it just to do with making European minerals/EV batteries assembled outside US eligible for the US tax credits ?

It would make sense. There needs to be a combined global effort when it comes to climate change. It’s that or a possible trade war which isn’t really ideal. Also US wants to encourage Germany to ween itself off its trade with China. Easier said than done
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 31, 2023
  • #28,170
Gillian Keegan says 4.5% is the best they can do and if unions reject it they will go back to the pay review body. For parents on here who might not realise, the government only intend to fund 0.5 of that 4.5%, and want the rest to come out of the already tight budgets.

They are trying to skimp on children’s education again.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 31, 2023
  • #28,171
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Gillian Keegan says 4.5% is the best they can do and if unions reject it they will go back to the pay review body. For parents on here who might not realise, the government only intend to fund 0.5 of that 4.5%, and want the rest to come out of the already tight budgets.

They are trying to skimp on children’s education again.
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They don’t give a flying duck do they
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 31, 2023
  • #28,172
Sky Blue Pete said:
They don’t give a flying duck do they
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Disappointing that Mr Starmer doesn’t either
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 31, 2023
  • #28,173
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Gillian Keegan says 4.5% is the best they can do and if unions reject it they will go back to the pay review body. For parents on here who might not realise, the government only intend to fund 0.5 of that 4.5%, and want the rest to come out of the already tight budgets.

They are trying to skimp on children’s education again.
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Im no fan of the strikes but unless the schools budget has increased by several percent/near inflation this doesn’t appear workable and will obviously need additional central government funding. Not sure what they’re fucking about at
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 31, 2023
  • #28,174
CCFCSteve said:
Im no fan of the strikes but unless the schools budget has increased by several percent/near inflation this doesn’t appear workable and will obviously need additional central government funding. Not sure what they’re fucking about at
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Well it's pretty clear what the strategy is. Get 'the unions' to be blamed for teachers getting paid more at the expense of the school's budget.

We have been insisting from the start that the pay rise must be fully funded and not come out of the current budgets. They do of course know that.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Mar 31, 2023
  • #28,175
PVA said:

Corbyn seen as barrier for Labour at next election, new poll suggests – Omnisis

www.omnisis.co.uk


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You should get some cash on him losing Islington North then…..
 
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