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Ian1779

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,931
clint van damme said:
Please Starmer, just fuck off, fuck off as far as you can, and when you think you've fucked off as far as you can, one last push, and fuck off some more.

Currently a tidal wave of reactionary nonsense from the tories and his response is to continue his spat with Cobyn.
Just let him stand in the seat he's represented for decades and get on with actually opposing the government you useless prick.
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I’m staring to reckon this personal vendetta of his stems back to Corbyn blocking him taking a second job when he was in Shadow Cabinet.
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,932
Grendel said:
His point is I assume it’s an argument for PR. The party has 12.6% of the vote. By your argument you should just disband the Lib Dems who do exactly what you describe but due to the system secure safe seats and get a few MPs

In that election they’d have had about 40% of the number of MPS labour would have surely?
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I mean I would disband the Lib Dem’s. Pick a fucking side.

But the idea there’s not a diverse mix of political opinion from far left to far right in parliament without PR is nonsense.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,933
Talking of pathetic, the government's latest offer to teachers in England is as follows

A 4.5% rise, only 0.5% of which is to be funded by the government-all the rest to come out of school budgets.
The offer only stands if all unions either recommend their members to accept, or are neutral.

NEU is recommending all members to reject this offer. In fact it isn't an offer, it's an insult. English teachers are now the worst paid in the UK- for comparison

Wales offered 6.5%
Scotland offered 7+
 
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Ian1779

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,934
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Talking of pathetic, the government's latest offer to teachers in England is as follows

A 4.5% rise, only 0.5% of which is to be funded by the government-all the rest to come out of school budgets.
The offer only stands if all unions either recommend their members to accept, or are neutral.

NEU is recommending all members to reject this offer. In fact it isn't an offer, it's an insult. English teachers are now the worst paid in the UK- for comparison

Wales offered 6.5%
Scotland offered 7+
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They can get fucked with that miserly bollocks.

And as always they sneak in the fact that it comes out of existing budgets so they fund nothing.

NASUWT needs to grow some balls and re-ballot it’s members for strike action.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,935
Oh dear these latest developments regarding Corbyn are going to really confuse poor old @PVA
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,936
Grendel said:
Oh dear these latest developments regarding Corbyn are going to really confuse poor old @PVA
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And why is that?
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,937
PVA said:
And why is that?
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So what’s your opinion then? I know you will read the room before being brave enough to comment - you like backers. Could be tough for you.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,938
Grendel said:
So what’s your opinion then? I know you will read the room before being brave enough to comment - you like backers. Could be tough for you.
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Why is it confusing for me?
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,939
PVA said:
Why is it confusing for me?
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well because you are grade A stupid and need to gauge a room before commenting
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,940
Grendel said:
well because you are grade A stupid and need to gauge a room before commenting
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I pity you. What a sad existence
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,941
Ian1779 said:
They can get fucked with that miserly bollocks.

And as always they sneak in the fact that it comes out of existing budgets so they fund nothing.

NASUWT needs to grow some balls and re-ballot it’s members for strike action.
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What's abundantly obvious is that the Tories just don't care about education. Willing to contribute a whopping 0.5% extra?

As for you, I'd suggest you change unions
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,942
shmmeee said:
I mean I would disband the Lib Dem’s. Pick a fucking side.

But the idea there’s not a diverse mix of political opinion from far left to far right in parliament without PR is nonsense.
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Seems with Mr Corbyn now banished from his party the alternate voice in labour no longer exists
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,943
Grendel said:
Seems with Mr Corbyn now banished from his party the alternate voice in labour no longer exists
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Also some polling suggesting he would defeat any official Labour candidate
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,944
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Also some polling suggesting he would defeat any official Labour candidate
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Whatever your view on him the fact Blair tolerated him for years but Starmer wants to banish him - despite Corbyn giving him an olive branch in shadow cabinet - says a lot about Starmer. It’s all pathetic really. Denying the former leader the option to stand for a party he’s been a member of all his life - is it necessary?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,945
Grendel said:
Whatever your view on him the fact Blair tolerated him for years but Starmer wants to banish him - despite Corbyn giving him an olive branch in shadow cabinet - says a lot about Starmer. It’s all pathetic really. Denying the former leader the option to stand for a party he’s been a member of all his life - is it necessary?
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It’s Starmer getting high off the fumes of winning over a few Daily Mail readers. I really really don’t want to vote for his Labour but in a swing seat I have not much choice.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,946
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It’s Starmer getting high off the fumes of winning over a few Daily Mail readers. I really really don’t want to vote for his Labour but in a swing seat I have not much choice.
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You don’t
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,947
Sky Blue Pete said:
You don’t
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What a time to be alive
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,948
Sky Blue Pete said:
You don’t
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Still think he’s a man of integrity?
 

Ian1779

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,949
Sky Blue Pete said:
You don’t
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You’re really selling it for a guy whose main policy by 2024 will probably be ‘Stop the Boats… more efficiently’
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,950
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Also some polling suggesting he would defeat any official Labour candidate
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And yet he was rejected in the two most important polls, comprehensively so last time.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,951
Ian1779 said:
You’re really selling it for a guy whose main policy by 2024 will probably be ‘Stop the Boats… more efficiently’
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Have to
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,952
Sky Blue Pete said:
Have to
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man of integrity?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,953
Grendel said:
man of integrity?
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Me? I try
 

Ian1779

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,954
PVA said:
And yet he was rejected in the two most important polls, comprehensively so last time.
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You should offer to be the Labour candidate in Islington North and see how you get on.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,955
PVA said:
And yet he was rejected in the two most important polls, comprehensively so last time.
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Which is of no relevance to what's been discussed here
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,956
PVA said:
And yet he was rejected in the two most important polls, comprehensively so last time.
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He has stood for the party for 40 years. No other former Labour party leader to my knowledge has been struck off as a party candidate. His constituents clearly still want him and it will be an embarrassment for Starmer that he never had to risk in the first place.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,957
Brighton Sky Blue said:
He has stood for the party for 40 years. No other former Labour party leader to my knowledge has been struck off as a party candidate. His constituents clearly still want him and it will be an embarrassment for Starmer that he never had to risk in the first place.
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Exactly, let him represent the same constituency he has for 40 years and bump his gums on the back benches occasionally while concentrating on more important issues.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,958
clint van damme said:
Which is of no relevance to what's been discussed here
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He is poison to a lot of the electorate. This probably isn't the best way to go about it, I agree there, but the Labour Party has a better chance of winning the election without him (which I know a lot in here won't like to hear).
 

clint van damme

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,959
PVA said:
He is poison to a lot of the electorate. This probably isn't the best way to go about it, I agree there, but the Labour Party has a better chance of winning the election without him (which I know a lot in here won't like to hear).
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I doubt Corbyn representing Islington will have any major effect on the outcome of a GE.
He represented it through new Labour's 3 terms
 
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Ian1779

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,960
PVA said:
He is poison to a lot of the electorate. This probably isn't the best way to go about it, I agree there, but the Labour Party has a better chance of winning the election without him (which I know a lot in here won't like to hear).
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It’s nonsense. If the electorate won’t put Labour in because Corbyn is pottering around in North London it says far more about Starmer’s inability to offer any kind of incentive or reason to vote for him.

Do better
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,961
PVA said:
He is poison to a lot of the electorate. This probably isn't the best way to go about it, I agree there, but the Labour Party has a better chance of winning the election without him (which I know a lot in here won't like to hear).
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He had a higher percentage of votes in 2017 than Blair and Thatcher you dimwit
 
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Ian1779

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,962
Grendel said:
He had a higher percentage of votes in 2017 than Blair and Thatcher you dimwit
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Shhmmeee will be along soon to deny the existence of 2017.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,963
Ian1779 said:
It’s nonsense. If the electorate won’t put Labour in because Corbyn is pottering around in North London it says far more about Starmer’s inability to offer any kind of incentive or reason to vote for him.

Do better
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Its the most stupid comment I’ve seen from him and that says a lot
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,964
clint van damme said:
I doubt Corbyn representing Islington will have any major effect on the outcome of a GE.
He represented it through new Labour's 3 terms
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But, as pathetic as it is, 'but Corbyn' is still an attack line used by the Tories.

Labour will win the election with or without Corbyn in my opinion. But they're doing everything they can to make sure of it.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 27, 2023
  • #27,965
Ian1779 said:
Shhmmeee will be along soon to deny the existence of 2017.
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His decline in 2019 was ironically as he let Starmer create the labour Brexit plan.
 
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