Do you want to discuss boring politics? (39 Viewers)

skybluetony176 · Mar 23, 2023

fernandopartridge said:
Show your working

I’m quoting you facts, the ONS statistics are all available on the government’s website. It’s you that seems to be short on working. The real irony is in your attempt to punish corporations you’ve actually rewarded them. You clearly haven’t considered that the reason certain think tanks representing big businesses interests, people like Banks, Rees-Mogg, Bamford etc wanted out was because of proposed EU wide rules to curb tax avoidance and money laundering. You literally rewarded them with your paranoid, ill thought out, completely mental thought process. I know that I got it wrong with my voting history and I put my hands up to that but jees, compared to your thought process in voting leave, not even close. The mental cartwheels you must be doing to level this in your head can’t be good for your mental health.

fernandopartridge · Mar 23, 2023

skybluetony176 said:
I’m quoting you facts. It’s you that seems to be short on working. The real irony is in your attempt to punish corporations you’ve actually rewarded them. You clearly haven’t considered that the reason certain think tanks representing big businesses interests, people like Banks, Rees-Mogg, Bamford etc wanted out was because of proposed EU wide rules to curb tax avoidance and money laundering. You literally rewarded them with your paranoid, ill thought out, completely mental thought process. I know that I got it wrong with my voting history and I put my hands up to that but jees, compared to your thought process in voting leave, not even close. The mental cartwheels you must be doing to level this in your head can’t be good for your mental health.

lol

skybluetony176 · Mar 23, 2023

fernandopartridge said:
lol

Laughing at your own stupidity. Good one. That showed me.

fernandopartridge · Mar 23, 2023

skybluetony176 said:
Laughing at your own stupidity. Good one. That showed me.

Let it all out Tony, all that self loathing for voting UKIP and Tory.

Brighton Sky Blue · Mar 23, 2023

skybluetony176 said:
I’m quoting you facts, the ONS statistics are all available on the government’s website. It’s you that seems to be short on working. The real irony is in your attempt to punish corporations you’ve actually rewarded them. You clearly haven’t considered that the reason certain think tanks representing big businesses interests, people like Banks, Rees-Mogg, Bamford etc wanted out was because of proposed EU wide rules to curb tax avoidance and money laundering. You literally rewarded them with your paranoid, ill thought out, completely mental thought process. I know that I got it wrong with my voting history and I put my hands up to that but jees, compared to your thought process in voting leave, not even close. The mental cartwheels you must be doing to level this in your head can’t be good for your mental health.

I don't think this thread can be good for your mental health based on your posts. Consider taking a pause

skybluetony176 · Mar 23, 2023

fernandopartridge said:
Let it all out Tony, all that self loathing for voting UKIP and Tory.

Oh dear. You’re coming across a bit narcissistic. No wonder you found Boris so convincing. Birds of a feather and all that.

skybluetony176 · Mar 23, 2023

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I don't think this thread can be good for your mental health based on your posts. Consider taking a pause

I’m good but thanks for your concern.

Brighton Sky Blue · Mar 23, 2023

skybluetony176 said:
I’m good but thanks for your concern.

Maybe a detour to the football side of things?

Ian1779 · Mar 23, 2023

I see Kier was channeling his inner love for Maggie today in his latest speech.

fernandopartridge · Mar 23, 2023

Ian1779 said:
I see Kier was channeling his inner love for Maggie today in his latest speech.

He's authoritarian - anything he can do to appeal to the imaginary Mr Angry of 1 Red Wall Avenue:

He said his government would also never dismiss crime as “low-level” – suggesting that even apparently minor issues like repeatedly smoking cannabis near children’s windows had a devastating effect on people’s lives.

shmmeee · Mar 23, 2023

fernandopartridge said:
He's authoritarian - anything he can do to appeal to the imaginary Mr Angry of 1 Red Wall Avenue:

Labour drug policy is an absolute joke. Like something from The Sun in 1986.

Evo1883 · Mar 24, 2023

Made me giggle

stupot07 · Mar 24, 2023

Fair play to the French, like the majority of Europe they see their parliamentarians as working for them and aren't afraid to show them when they aren't happy.

Not like us, we're subservient to whatever the government tell us, and roll over and let them tickle our bellies.

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skybluetony176 · Mar 24, 2023

stupot07 said:
Fair play to the French, like the majority of Europe they see their parliamentarians as working for them and aren't afraid to show them when they aren't happy.

Not like us, we're subservient to whatever the government tell us, and roll over and let them tickle our bellies.

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I heard a French person on the radio earlier talking about the difference our mentality and theirs and basically put it down to the French Revolution and how they stopped bending the knee and stood up. We’re still bending the knee, doffing the cap, tugging the furlough. I think we’re waking up though. No better example than QT last night. JRM was just bragging the knight before that Boris had won in the court of public opinion then in an audience dominated by people who voted Tory in 2019 not one would put their hand up to back him.

What’s really scary is that given how submissive we are that the government is scared of us and is desperate to stamp out the discerning voices by taking away our rights to protest, cancel public figures etc. can you imagine the carnage in France if the French government tried to quash the right to protest like our government is trying.

Grendel · Mar 24, 2023

stupot07 said:
Fair play to the French, like the majority of Europe they see their parliamentarians as working for them and aren't afraid to show them when they aren't happy.

Not like us, we're subservient to whatever the government tell us, and roll over and let them tickle our bellies.

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Funnily enough Godfrey Bloom - a man I think bunged out by Tony’s mate Farage for being too right wing for UKIP - agrees with you entirely

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Mar 24, 2023

skybluetony176 said:
I heard a French person on the radio earlier talking about the difference our mentality and theirs and basically put it down to the French Revolution and how they stopped bending the knee and stood up. We’re still bending the knee, doffing the cap, tugging the furlough. I think we’re waking up though. No better example than QT last night. JRM was just bragging the knight before that Boris had won in the court of public opinion then in an audience dominated by people who voted Tory in 2019 not one would put their hand up to back him.

What’s really scary is that given how submissive we are that the government is scared of us and is desperate to stamp out the discerning voices by taking away our rights to protest, cancel public figures etc. can you imagine the carnage in France if the French government tried to quash the right to protest like our government is trying.

When they were doing covid vaccine mandates, a lot of people in France were having picnics outside and refusing to eat in restaurants in solidarity with those that hadn't had the jab.

I have a lot of respect for their willingness to work together and support a cause. You don't see so much bravery like that these days. Usually ignorance and cowardice.

Brighton Sky Blue · Mar 24, 2023

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
When they were doing covid vaccine mandates, a lot of people in France were having picnics outside and refusing to eat in restaurants in solidarity with those that hadn't had the jab.

I have a lot of respect for their willingness to work together and support a cause. You don't see so much bravery like that these days. Usually ignorance and cowardice.

So I take it you stand with the many striking workers in this country who have done so in defiance of the anti union laws designed to disrupt organised labour?

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Mar 24, 2023

Brighton Sky Blue said:
So I take it you stand with the many striking workers in this country who have done so in defiance of the anti union laws designed to disrupt organised labour?

If you mean do I support emergency workers and teachers etc, when it comes to fighting for a fairer salary? Damn right I do.

SBT · Mar 24, 2023

The French seem to protest a lot, but what has it actually achieved? Didn’t they re-elect Macron like 10 minutes ago?

skybluetony176 · Mar 24, 2023

SBT said:
The French seem to protest a lot, but what has it actually achieved? Didn’t they re-elect Macron like 10 minutes ago?

Not a a manifesto to bypass parliament and enforce an increase in the retirement age 9 minutes after being elected though. Hence they’re protesting.

JAM See · Mar 24, 2023

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
If you mean do I support emergency workers and teachers etc, when it comes to fighting for a fairer salary? Damn right I do.

For fucks sake. I don't know where to start, so I'm not going to bother.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Mar 24, 2023

JAM See said:
For fucks sake. I don't know where to start, so I'm not going to bother.

Well you took the time to write that...

I'm in favour of paying essential workers properly. Why does that warrant a 'for fuck sake'?

JAM See · Mar 24, 2023

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Well you took the time to write that...

I'm in favour of paying essential workers properly. Why does that warrant a 'for fuck sake'?

You've fallen into the classic Tory trap of quoting 'Essential Workers'.

Ergo...non essential workers (bus drivers, shop assistants, accountants, machine operators etc.) don't 'warrant' being payed properly.

ALL workers (and the income that it brings) are essential, otherwise capitalism would discard them.

Name me one truly non essential job that's not primarily filled with people who didn't go to a school that mummy and daddy paid for them to attend.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Mar 24, 2023

JAM See said:
You've fallen into the classic Tory trap of quoting 'Essential Workers'.

Ergo...non essential workers (bus drivers, shop assistants, accountants, machine operators etc.) don't 'warrant' being payed properly.

ALL workers (and the income that it brings) are essential, otherwise capitalism would discard them.

Name me one truly non essential job that's not primarily filled with people who didn't go to a school that mummy and daddy paid for them to attend.

Dude, take a fucking break.

clint van damme · Mar 25, 2023

Grendel said:
Funnily enough Godfrey Bloom - a man I think bunged out by Tony’s mate Farage for being too right wing for UKIP - agrees with you entirely

Good old Godfrey. Was so anti immigration that he staffed his businesses almost entirely with immigrants on minimum wage, (and probably less than that before iit became law).

Brighton Sky Blue · Mar 25, 2023

SBT said:
The French seem to protest a lot, but what has it actually achieved? Didn’t they re-elect Macron like 10 minutes ago?

Well let’s compare their retirement age to ours. On second thought, let’s not

Deleted member 5849 · Mar 25, 2023

Isn't the problem as much that he pulled a vote he was set to lose, and pushed the law through anyway in a particular show of democracy?

stupot07 · Mar 25, 2023

Deleted member 5849 said:
Isn't the problem as much that he pulled a vote he was set to lose, and pushed the law through anyway in a particular show of democracy?

Yes, he bypassed a parliamentary vote and used a loophole which allows him to implement law without going through a normal democratic process. France recently changed the law for the number of stints you can be president, so Macron is not allowed to re stand at the next election so has nothing to lose, the people can't vote him out as he will be standing down anyway.

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Grendel · Mar 25, 2023

Deleted member 5849 said:
Isn't the problem as much that he pulled a vote he was set to lose, and pushed the law through anyway in a particular show of democracy?

Yes that’s the key argument

Viva the republic

Grendel · Mar 25, 2023

clint van damme said:
Good old Godfrey. Was so anti immigration that he staffed his businesses almost entirely with immigrants on minimum wage, (and probably less than that before iit became law).

They came from Bongo Bongo Land

It’s ironic though he agrees with a lot on here the Brits are spineless protestors

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Mar 25, 2023

Grendel said:
They came from Bongo Bongo Land

It’s ironic though he agrees with a lot on here the Brits are spineless protestors

Erm, I think a lot are arguing the Brits are spineless non-protesters.

Grendel · Mar 25, 2023

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Erm, I think a lot are arguing the Brits are spineless non-protesters.

plenty protest all the time so that’s not true

clint van damme · Mar 25, 2023

Grendel said:
They came from Bongo Bongo Land

It’s ironic though he agrees with a lot on here the Brits are spineless protestors

Used to deal with one of his companies where I worked.
. He had cash flow problems, got special payment terms but eventually we took the work of him.
We took half the process in house and out sourced the other half to a firm down south. The fella that owned that company made very serious money out of it.
God knows how Godfrey fucked it up, I think he maynot be quite as shrewd as he thinks, not sure why anyone would listen to him about anything!

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Mar 25, 2023

Grendel said:
plenty protest all the time so that’s not true

So you think our protesting is similar to that of the French?

CCFCSteve · Mar 25, 2023

Deleted member 5849 said:
Isn't the problem as much that he pulled a vote he was set to lose, and pushed the law through anyway in a particular show of democracy?

He did but on the flip side, he said he planned to raise the pension age during the presidential election campaign and was re-elected

I’m no fan of Macron or the presidential system but he’s not doing this for his own benefit. Difficult decisions are rarely popular. Many people prefer for the can to be kicked down the road, leave the problem for someone else to deal with and that’s when you end up with the Johnson’s of this world promising the Earth and delivering very little

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