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oakey

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,231
clint van damme said:
I don't think cancel culture exists, its something the right/far right have made up to stoke their culture wars.
This is just tory cunts in the bbc trying to squash dissent and anyone shining a light on their nonsense.
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False equivalence is a curse. Anyone can be called a hypocrite as a result -
"If you're not outraged that someone stole my yoghurt from the shared fridge you're as bad as that guy who robbed his gran's life savings."
Does my head in.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,232
PVA said:
Just last night Fiona Bruce was excusing domestic abuse to defend the Tories.

Then Lineker gets sacked for criticising them.

Impartiality my arse.
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JOB was talking about this earlier. I’d not seen QT but heard the clip and thought the reaction to Bruce was a bit OTT. All I heard was her trying to give context by quoting friends of Stanley Johnson as he wasn’t there to respond to the accusation himself. It’s what all presenters have to do in that type of situation. The language wasn’t ideal but people have taken it as her comments when she was trying to present what Johnson’s friends had said about the incident.

Fiona Bruce blasted after calling Stanley Johnson's domestic abuse 'one off'

It is alleged Stanley broke his wife's nose and left her in hospital.
metro.co.uk

The fact Johnson has put his dad forward for a peerage is a disgrace and it sounds like he should’ve been jailed for the incident (absolute scumbag) but I just saw Bruce trying to do her job
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,233
CCFCSteve said:
JOB was talking about this earlier. I’d not seen QT but heard the clip and thought the reaction to Bruce was a bit OTT. All I heard was her trying to give context by quoting friends of Stanley Johnson as he wasn’t there to respond to the accusation himself. It’s what all presenters have to do in that type of situation. The language wasn’t ideal but people have taken it as her comments when she was trying to present what Johnson’s friends had said about the incident.

Fiona Bruce blasted after calling Stanley Johnson's domestic abuse 'one off'

It is alleged Stanley broke his wife's nose and left her in hospital.
metro.co.uk

The fact Johnson has put his dad forward for a peerage is a disgrace and it sounds like he should’ve been jailed for the incident (absolute scumbag) but I just saw Bruce trying to do her job
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I'll also not use people like that for the comprisons for the reasons you say - their job is to be devil's advocate.

Hadn't considered how righty Alan Sugar had got the past few years mind you... although he'll no doubt swing to Labour when they win the next election(!)

And tbf the ah but... defence is surely just effectively agreeing with whatever point you're actually trying to argue against, as you're not coming up with a reason why it's wrong, you're just giving examples of more people you think are wrong!
 

TomRad85

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,234
skybluetony176 said:
Can you name me 2 things that the left has cancelled?
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Christ. I'm not going digging through Twitter for nonsense like you pal. But I bet its not too difficult.

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JAM See

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,235
skybluetony176 said:
Can you name me 2 things that the left has cancelled?
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Jeremy Corbyn (one for the youngsters).
Derek Hatton (one for the oldsters).
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,236
clint van damme said:
I don't think cancel culture exists, its something the right/far right have made up to stoke their culture wars.
This is just tory cunts in the bbc trying to squash dissent and anyone shining a light on their nonsense.
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It’s just another case of imported American bullshit.
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,237
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
You still aren't answering the question.

Why is it only now that you are interested in talking about cancel culture?
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The honest answer is I'm not interested in talking about cancel culture. I used a section of an office quote, you probably missed the reference, to try and point out the irony of a bunch of people who do love to talk about it (the likes of Brendan O'Neill, Hartley-Brewer, a lot of the Tory party) all of a sudden getting upset at the crisp muncher.

If you use the search function, you can find me touching on it.

Not really sure why I'm having to justify using the words "cancel culture" to mr free speech though.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,238
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,239
clint van damme said:
I don't think cancel culture exists, its something the right/far right have made up to stoke their culture wars.
This is just tory cunts in the bbc trying to squash dissent and anyone shining a light on their nonsense.
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I wouldn’t personally describe Peter Tatchelll as far right myself
 

clint van damme

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,240
David Icke, Ian Holloway and Paul Alen to stand in
 
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clint van damme

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,241
Grendel said:
I wouldn’t personally describe Peter Tatchelll as far right myself
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He's still wrong.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,242
clint van damme said:
David Icke, Ian Holloway and Paul Alen to stand in
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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,243
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,244
clint van damme said:
He's still wrong.
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he was cancelled from speaking at a debate wasn’t he?

You said it didn’t exist.

The term I thought was around the fact that some debates cancel so silence a viewpoint in the discussion room?

im sure you have often said Kuensberg should have in the past censored for pro Tory bias havent you?
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,245
clint van damme said:
David Icke, Ian Holloway and Paul Alen to stand in
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Matt Le Tissier
 
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clint van damme

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,246
Deleted member 5849 said:
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MOTD in Latin
 

JAM See

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,247
I'm available (after 5.00PM).
 

clint van damme

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,248
Grendel said:
he was cancelled from speaking at a debate wasn’t he?

You said it didn’t exist.

The term I thought was around the fact that some debates cancel so silence a viewpoint in the discussion room?

im sure you have often said Kuensberg should have in the past censored for pro Tory bias havent you?
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That's not cancelled though is it?
And she wasn't censored, and nor was Andrew Neil, and nor was Alan Sugar.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,249
clint van damme said:
MOTD in Latin
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old etonians vs corinithian fc main game
 

TomRad85

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,250
Ian1779 said:
I don’t actually care about MOTD…. Unless we got promoted of course!
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Haven't watched it regularly for years and would only actively do so if we were on it, at which point Shamima Begum could present it from an unmanned oil rig for all I care.

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Grendel

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,251
clint van damme said:
That's not cancelled though is it?
And she wasn't censored, and nor was Andrew Neil, and nor was Alan Sugar.
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But you wanted her to be? Also that is cancel culture this isn’t is it? If he worked for channel 4 don’t think this is an issue though I think making holocaust comparisons isn’t clever myself
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,252
 
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SBT

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,253
Grendel said:
im sure you have often said Kuensberg should have in the past censored for pro Tory bias havent you?
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The rules are, as they should be, completely different for BBC employees who are involved in the BBC's news operation. The rules for freelancers and hosts of entertainment shows seem to be a bit ambiguous, which is why Lineker has decided he should be able to say whatever he wants.
 
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SBT

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,254
Grendel said:
But you wanted her to be? Also that is cancel culture this isn’t is it? If he worked for channel 4 don’t think this is an issue though I think making holocaust comparisons isn’t clever myself
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Lucky for him he didn't compare anything to the Holocaust then.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,255
Grendel said:
But you wanted her to be? Also that is cancel culture this isn’t is it? If he worked for channel 4 don’t think this is an issue though I think making holocaust comparisons isn’t clever myself
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I wanted her to do her job properly.
At least with Neil there was no doubt about his political affiliations.
And neither of them would ever be short of work.

It's like saying sacking one of the numerous managers on the lucrative managerial merry go round is cancelling them

And Lineker didn't make a comparison to the holocaust, he compared it to the language used in 193os Germany, which is undeniable.
 
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Northants Sky Blue

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,256
 

clint van damme

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,257
Northants Sky Blue said:
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Is that a veiled threat to hack their phone?!
 
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David O'Day

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,258
Northants Sky Blue said:
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ffs i'm on the same side as piers fucking morgan
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,259
Another example of a far right bigot giving an interview in Tory rag complaining about being silenced in a debate

If feminist Linda Bellos is seen as a risk, progressive politics has lost its way | Claire Heuchan

Gender issues are now so fraught that we’re losing sight of what we have in common, says black feminist blogger and writer Claire Heuchan
amp.theguardian.com
 

clint van damme

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,260
Grendel said:
Another example of a far right bigot giving an interview in Tory rag complaining about being silenced in a debate

If feminist Linda Bellos is seen as a risk, progressive politics has lost its way | Claire Heuchan

Gender issues are now so fraught that we’re losing sight of what we have in common, says black feminist blogger and writer Claire Heuchan
amp.theguardian.com
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She's had an invitation to speak withdrawn.She hasn't been cancelled.
she talking about it in an interview in the Guardian. Hardly someone without a voice.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,261
clint van damme said:
She's had an invitation to speak withdrawn.She hasn't been cancelled.
she talking about it in an interview in the Guardian. Hardly someone without a voice.
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Gary hasn’t been cancelled either. He can say what he wants. His twitter account is still active

I’m sure a lot of people were demanding Jeremy Clarkson being sacked from his job recently or did I imagine that?
 
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clint van damme

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,262
Grendel said:
Gary hasn’t been cancelled either. He can say what he wants. His twitter account is still active

I’m sure a lot of people were demanding Jeremy Clarkson being sacked from his job recently or did I imagine that?
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I've not said Lineker has been cancelled.

And when employed by the BBC Clarkson said about striking workers they should all be shot in front of their families, and didn't lose his job, so it's the hypocrisy and double standards that I'm criticising.
 
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SBT

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,263
Grendel said:
Gary hasn’t been cancelled either. He can say what he wants. His twitter account is still active

I’m sure a lot of people were demanding Jeremy Clarkson being sacked from his job recently or did I imagine that?
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Lineker's been suspended for something he said on his own time, unrelated to his work. Clarkson sparked calls for him to be fired for stuff he did on the job - aside from the semantics over "cancel culture", and regardless of whether you agree with what happened to either of them, there's an obvious difference.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,264
clint van damme said:
I've not said Lineker has been cancelled.

And when employed by the BBC Clarkson said about striking workers they should all be shot in front of their families, and didn't lose his job, so it's the hypocrisy and double standards that I'm criticising.
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speaking of him

 
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RegTheDonk

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  • Mar 10, 2023
  • #27,265
SBT said:
The rules are, as they should be, completely different for BBC employees who are involved in the BBC's news operation. The rules for freelancers and hosts of entertainment shows seem to be a bit ambiguous, which is why Lineker has decided he should be able to say whatever he wants.
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Sorry don't agree. He has a contract with the Corporation and has been seen as a face of the BBC for decades. He has a duty to uphold their values, regardless what kind of programme he is assoicated with. If you had a BBC cleaner spouting off political things on facebook they would hopefully face the same discipline.

Obviously he can tweet what he likes and if he wants to put his oar in a pro/anti government debate, then fair play to him. But he can't do that and still expect a contract with an organisation who are supposed to sit on the fence. Regardless of the "taste" of the comment which I feel is pretty crass, it's the correct call from the BBC and if Shearer or Wright want to not appear in sympathy, they are effectivley condoning his tweets.
 
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