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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 3, 2023
  • #26,881
skybluetony176 said:
The screams of stitch up looking more and more ridiculous by the minute

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Man of the people why should he follow the rules no other dicker did
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Mar 3, 2023
  • #26,882
fernandopartridge said:
Great to have the public talking about whether some lockdown rules were broken though rather than how the decline in everybody's standard of living might be addressed, love it
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Is that really all you think this is about? You see no problem with a Prime Minister repeatedly lying to Parliament?
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Mar 3, 2023
  • #26,883
CCFCSteve said:
Scotland doesn’t have a land border with the EU and as you know, NI are a special case due to GFA. The reason why it’s such a great deal for NI is they have access to single market without having to pay into the pot, without FOM requirement and have a break on new EU rules

I might be wrong but I presume Sunak can’t labour these points in public as it might piss off some EU members. Basically NIs position is unique and better than other EU members

If EU offered that deal to the U.K. I’d imagine we’d snap their hands off (ERG nutters/DUP aside )
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You’re forgetting one thing. The Boris bridge
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 3, 2023
  • #26,884
Deleted member 9744 said:
Is that really all you think this is about? You see no problem with a Prime Minister repeatedly lying to Parliament?
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What are you talking about?
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Mar 3, 2023
  • #26,885
fernandopartridge said:
What are you talking about?
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Didn't think it was complicated to be honest
 

Ian1779

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  • Mar 3, 2023
  • #26,886
Deleted member 9744 said:
Didn't think it was complicated to be honest
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He’s got a point though - classic dead cat syndrome. Much easier to howl about the outrage of Sue Gray’s appointment and fill column inches about a ‘stitch up’ than have to respond to questions about how the country is going down the toilet.

I’ll give you another example of last weeks teacher strike - the government have realised that there is popular support for the strikes, so the media that is supportive of them simply acted like it didn’t happen.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Mar 3, 2023
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Ian1779 said:
He’s got a point though - classic dead cat syndrome. Much easier to howl about the outrage of Sue Gray’s appointment and fill column inches about a ‘stitch up’ than have to respond to questions about how the country is going down the toilet.

I’ll give you another example of last weeks teacher strike - the government have realised that there is popular support for the strikes, so the media that is supportive of them simply acted like it didn’t happen.
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It's not a question of one or the other. A Prime Minister lying to Parliament is a bit of a problem in a democracy. And that doesn't mean that the Government's abject failure to deal with the economic crisis isn't important.

Also trying to dismiss Johnson's behaviour as him just being a bit of a laugh is insulting to the people who obeyed the rules and those who lost friends and relations and couldn't say goodbye to them prperly.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 3, 2023
  • #26,888
Deleted member 9744 said:
Didn't think it was complicated to be honest
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The appointment of Sue Gray I suppose was made for good practical reasons, yet it'll now just serve to distract from actual real current issues. We have already well established Johnson lied to parliament, so what? He's no longer the Prime Minister. What difference will talking about it now make to people who can't put food on the table?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 3, 2023
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Deleted member 9744 said:
It's not a question of one or the other. A Prime Minister lying to Parliament is a bit of a problem in a democracy.
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Agreed, i hate it when the leaders of parties tell lies to anybody.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 3, 2023
  • #26,890
Deleted member 9744 said:
It's not a question of one or the other. A Prime Minister lying to Parliament is a bit of a problem in a democracy. And that doesn't mean that the Government's abject failure to deal with the economic crisis isn't important.

Also trying to dismiss Johnson's behaviour as him just being a bit of a laugh is insulting to the people who obeyed the rules and those who lost friends and relations and couldn't say goodbye to them prperly.
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Blair lied to parliament which led us into an illegal war.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Mar 3, 2023
  • #26,891
Grendel said:
Blair lied to parliament which led us into an illegal war.
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So that's all right then?
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 3, 2023
  • #26,892
Deleted member 9744 said:
So that's all right then?
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Well I think he still got re-elected and someone on here said we should forget all that and he is the best prime minister since Sunny Jim Callaghan
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 3, 2023
  • #26,893
The debate around Starmer's appointment is as boring as the man himself.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 3, 2023
  • #26,894
This is just a wow, imagine supressing news like this

 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 3, 2023
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Mar 6, 2023
  • #26,896
If ever there was a reason to stop the ex prime minister dishing out a load of honours to to his mates Stanley Johnson getting one is it.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 6, 2023
  • #26,897
Terry Gibson's perm said:
If ever there was a reason to stop the ex prime minister dishing out a load of honours to to his mates Stanley Johnson getting one is it.
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It comes with the system
It’s set up for statesmen and women and gentlemen and ladies and unwritten decorum that we as a society have said fuck it too
We will have to demand a new way of it working if we want something different
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 6, 2023
  • #26,898
He has no shame !

I’ve read both Starmer and Sunak are looking at some kind of reform of HofL.

For starters remove all non attendees (those with below X% attendance) immediately, reduce total number, limit PM ability to submit endless new peerages (maybe one in one our policy) and stop all hereditary peers
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 6, 2023
  • #26,899
CCFCSteve said:
He has no shame !

I’ve read both Starmer and Sunak are looking at some kind of reform of HofL.

For starters remove all non attendees (those with below X% attendance) immediately, reduce total number, limit PM ability to submit endless new peerages (maybe one in one our policy) and stop all hereditary peers
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Think that’s a very good idea TBH, arguably better than Labours IMO, but I’m a bit conservative when it comes to the HoL. Get the selection criteria right and enforce attendance and maybe speaking time and I’d be quite happy. This is half of that, just need to look at how remaining nominations are made.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Mar 6, 2023
  • #26,900
Tories arguing amongst themselves over the Sue Gray appointment. Maybe it’s having the desired effect

 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 6, 2023
  • #26,901
CCFCSteve said:
He has no shame !

I’ve read both Starmer and Sunak are looking at some kind of reform of HofL.

For starters remove all non attendees (those with below X% attendance) immediately, reduce total number, limit PM ability to submit endless new peerages (maybe one in one our policy) and stop all hereditary peers
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Fuck it off and make it an elected chamber based on PR.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 6, 2023
  • #26,902
skybluetony176 said:
Tories arguing amongst themselves over the Sue Gray appointment. Maybe it’s having the desired effect

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They're absolutely pathetic.

It only seems to be the headbangers and Johnson cheerleaders up in arms about it

It's Beergate mkII
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 6, 2023
  • #26,903
PVA said:
They're absolutely pathetic.

It only seems to be the headbangers and Johnson cheerleaders up in arms about it

It's Beergate mkII
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Does this mean grenners is going to start using another unfunny nickname for Starmer?
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 6, 2023
  • #26,904
David O'Day said:
Does this mean grenners is going to start using another unfunny nickname for Starmer?
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The right were so pleased with their 'Sir Beer Korma' line
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 6, 2023
  • #26,905
PVA said:
They're absolutely pathetic.

It only seems to be the headbangers and Johnson cheerleaders up in arms about it

It's Beergate mkII
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Real grama issues here
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 6, 2023
  • #26,906
PVA said:
The right were so pleased with their 'Sir Beer Korma' line
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It was weird, hence why he liked it.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 6, 2023
  • #26,907
PVA said:
The right were so pleased with their 'Sir Beer Korma' line
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The ultimate irony being in that they made him seem interesting. No one in the Labour Party has achieved that.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Mar 6, 2023
  • #26,908
Also Isobel Oakshott confuses me, she always looks like she is both smelling a fart and in a wind tunnel
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 6, 2023
  • #26,909
Dan Hodges is hilarious (unintentionally) at the moment. Same as he was during beergate. The right must be really worried about Boris’ future in politics. You can only assume he’s done for and they know it.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 6, 2023
  • #26,910
skybluetony176 said:
Dan Hodges is hilarious (unintentionally) at the moment. Same as he was during beergate. The right must be really worried about Boris’ future in politics. You can only assume he’s done for and they know it.
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He seems to be having another meltdown like he did for Beergate.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 6, 2023
  • #26,911
skybluetony176 said:
Dan Hodges is hilarious (unintentionally) at the moment. Same as he was during beergate. The right must be really worried about Boris’ future in politics. You can only assume he’s done for and they know it.
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The problem for a lot of them now is which constituencies could you put them in where they’d win-probably only Tory diehard strongholds with retiring MPs. Johnson would be destroyed in his and few people are willing to give up their seat to prolong his career
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Mar 6, 2023
  • #26,912
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The problem for a lot of them now is which constituencies could you put them in where they’d win-probably only Tory diehard strongholds with retiring MPs. Johnson would be destroyed in his and few people are willing to give up their seat to prolong his career
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Local Tories are doing a fair bit of deselecting their sitting MP’s at the moment, 3 already confirmed and I think it’s been suggested that another 3 are on their way out. Unless he gets kicked out of the party I can see Boris giving up his seat and being selected in one of these seats.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Mar 7, 2023
  • #26,913
This will be worrying for Sunak as there doesn’t seem to be a bounce from the Windsor deal, which surprises me also. Also worrying for the Boris camp and their client journalists is no evidence that anyone gives 2 shiny ones about the Sue Gray appointment. I think that will worry Sunak too but less so and certainly not as much as no bounce from Windsor.

 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 7, 2023
  • #26,914
skybluetony176 said:
This will be worrying for Sunak as there doesn’t seem to be a bounce from the Windsor deal, which surprises me also. Also worrying for the Boris camp and their client journalists is no evidence that anyone gives 2 shiny ones about the Sue Gray appointment. I think that will worry Sunak too but less so and certainly not as much as no bo unce from Windsor.

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outside of ni no ones really gives a fig about the protocol and in ni no ones for the main parties
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Mar 7, 2023
  • #26,915
I'm amazed this has been overlooked on here...

 
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