Maybe I am an idiot
Illegal immigration has gone up.
I remember the pre Brexit immigration numbers. I put them at between 2 and 3 million. Got told I was an idiot. Maybe I am an idiot. Turned out it was close to 4 million who needed the right to stay.
Labour did nothing last time. They had enough years to do something. I have gone past trusting any politician.It’s not rocket science. Build more houses and use the state to build them. Private developers have pretty consistently completed something like 400k/year for decades. Clearly there’s no much more capacity there. The drop came when local authorities stopped building, so start that up again. Hopefully Labour see through their plans there.
I think you've missed the point mate. Or, like the other poster, make some attempt at a joke rather than address where I was coming from.
Again do you trust any political party to finally do something?Both legal and illegal immigration has gone up. And both because of Brexit. Illegal because we no longer have a deal with mainland Europe and legal because we’ve opened up to other countries as they said they would.
Not that immigration causes any of these problems, they’re all linked to government priorities. Most EU governments spend money on infrastructure that we seem incapable of doing.
Labour did nothing last time. They had enough years to do something. I have gone past trusting any politician.
We would need a massive building program just to keep up with present needs. And even then they build on flood plains. Then you have the NIMBY's.
If the housebuilding were forced to build on their landmarks things would improve. But they are happy with the valuation of the land going up without having to build. And the lack of homes keeps the newbuild prices up giving extra profit again.
Again do you trust any political party to finally do something?
If that is the case it would have been when I had my wobble I said about when all the corruption in the EU was coming out. But I honestly do not remember saying so.No, you said very specifically "I want out of the EU" and "the main reason I am voting leave is for my younger children." There is no equivocation to be had!
There’s no evidence of land banking really. Developers build as fast as they can in general, the bottle neck is usually labour in my experience.
Flood plains are planning law, though I agree, but there’s lots of non flood zone stuff to build on.
If you look at this it’s very clear the private sector has never been able to pick up the slack from local authorities regardless of economic conditions or planning laws:
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Edit: sorry it’s 200k, not 400k
I may have. I thought you were saying because you’d travelled to Europe concerns about goods import issues weren’t valid. Why has this poor management just so happened to coincide with us leaving the EU?
I mean it’s hardly surprising that you leave a customs Union and supply chains suffer.
Britain’s Hoarding Housebuilders Increase Land Banking Plots During the Pandemic - Property Notify
Property Notify Press Releases: The latest research by Birmingham and Newcastle-based property developer, StripeHomes, reveals which of the UK’s biggest developers currently own thewww.propertynotify.co.uk
Clint has more or less clarified what I was saying. Companies hide behind poor management and blame brexit. That could be in the retail sector, travel sector, whatever. The first to do it were a bunch of terribly run internet based holiday companies who were issued winding up orders about a week after the referendum.
The numbers are there though. They have gone up or stayed level for many years. And as it says new buils drip fed to keep prices at a premium. That is why the numbers were so high pre pandemic.Yeah that’s the conspiracy theory but the fact is land buyers will keep buying plots where they find them, the reason it increased over the pandemic was shortage of labour making it harder to build. I’ve talked to people at places like Taylor Wimpey and Barratt about exactly this and they think it’s laughable.
The numbers are there though. They have gone up or stayed level for many years. And as it says new buils drip fed to keep prices at a premium. That is why the numbers were so high pre pandemic.
It isn't their job to help the government out. But it certainly doesn't help.
Question as well (and based partly on my house hunting!) My view is that private developers are, naturally, more keen on making profit than solving a housing crisis. So there's a number of 'luxury' homes built rather than 'affordable', and the only 'affordable' built are when legislated to do so, and they're the token houses on an estate. That means a small number of large houses built rather than rows of terraces. With more single and childless people about, surely an increase in stock of one and two bed housing is what we need? Allow the old thing of start there, trade up when need to because of family etc.That’s not true. They build as fast as they can get parts and labour. There’s two entirely separate departments. One spends all day looking for strategic land, the other tries to find staff and materials to build out. They’re not leaving money on the table in case house prices go up. And you can see that because there is no great drop off when land values start rising. Also when land values rise so does materials and labour costs. If land comes up and is viable they’ll buy it cos they can, regardless of how much they have already.
The graph I posted is very clear since local authorities stopped building total completions dropped from about 400k to half that and have never been replaced.
Yeah that’s the conspiracy theory but the fact is land buyers will keep buying plots where they find them, the reason it increased over the pandemic was shortage of labour making it harder to build. I’ve talked to people at places like Taylor Wimpey and Barratt about exactly this and they think it’s laughable.
As a small aside, why is it now a building regulation that a new build needs a downstairs loo, even if it's only a two-bed?
If the problem was all about labour why don't they train their own staff? Every other type of business does so.That’s not true. They build as fast as they can get parts and labour. There’s two entirely separate departments. One spends all day looking for strategic land, the other tries to find staff and materials to build out. They’re not leaving money on the table in case house prices go up. And you can see that because there is no great drop off when land values start rising. Also when land values rise so does materials and labour costs. If land comes up and is viable they’ll buy it cos they can, regardless of how much they have already.
The graph I posted is very clear since local authorities stopped building total completions dropped from about 400k to half that and have never been replaced.
Question as well (and based partly on my house hunting!) My view is that private developers are, naturally, more keen on making profit than solving a housing crisis. So there's a number of 'luxury' homes built rather than 'affordable', and the only 'affordable' built are when legislated to do so, and they're the token houses on an estate. That means a small number of large houses built rather than rows of terraces. With more single and childless people about, surely an increase in stock of one and two bed housing is what we need? Allow the old thing of start there, trade up when need to because of family etc.
That's true of course, but also why they end up more affordable if built, and more likely to help people onto a ladder.People buying homes generally don’t want terraces is the belief I think.
If the problem was all about labour why don't they train their own staff? Every other type of business does so.
I worked in construction in the 80's until the crash. You went where the money is. If they paid enough they would always have the labour. You got to the end of your part of the build then moved to the next site. If someone offered you more money you moved.
People don't want terrace housing but it comes down to what they can afford. And most of the time detached is out of their price range.Oh totally. I’m no fan of big builders, but they follow the economics and planning legislation. Mostly that means flats for one and two beds plus family homes. People buying homes generally don’t want terraces is the belief I think. And they’re probably right. Also trouble with single people affording a mortgage rather than selling flats to BTL landlords.
Well they would, wouldn't they? I remember reading a report pre-pandemic, I think it was in Inside Housing which talked about the way the large housebuilders control the supply of properties at any one time in order to artificially prop up prices. It of course isn't the only factor and as you point out, the state offering a largescale alternative to the the large housebuilders is the obvious answer.
But Alfonso Gálvez, who serves as general secretary of the Murcia branch of Asaja, Spain’s biggest farming association, said he was puzzled by the media talk of weather-induced shortages.
“I’ve seen these articles but I don’t understand why they’re talking about shortages here,” he said. “Things are normal so far this season so I don’t know if it’s more a problem of UK logistics since the Brexit regulations came into effect. There’s enough produce to supply the market and the vegetable season is happening pretty normally.”
People don't want terrace housing but it comes down to what they can afford. And most of the time detached is out of their price range.
I'll tell you what the demand is like for a two bed end terrace in a couple of weeks!!I think most people who can afford a new build want a semi at least. Of course there are terraces built in some developments. But there’s not enough houses generally so if you can build higher spec you’ll get more money assuming they sell (which they will) because the markup is better.
Seeing lots of videos on line of supermarkets in war torn Ukraine stocked full of the produce we’re rationing. Maybe we could do an arms for tomatoes arrangement.
I know you think that this is a gotcha but the fact is Ukraine has better arrangements with the EU than us. The fact that a war zone outside of the EU is better served by its trading arrangement than us with ours speaks volumes about how bad ours is. Still, we held all the cards.Is this the same Ukraine that isn't in the European Union?
I know you think that this is a gotcha but the fact is Ukraine has better arrangements with the EU than us. The fact that a war zone outside of the EU is better served by its trading arrangement than us with ours speaks volumes about how bad ours is. Still, we held all the cards.
Is this the same Ukraine that isn't in the European Union?
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