Astute
Well-Known Member
Has he said he will not end or change outsourcing?
Has he said he will not end or change outsourcing?That was only part of the pledge, he promised to stand shoulder to shoulder with trade unions - he hasn't achieved that has he?
How has the state of the economy affected that pledge?
How does not being PM affect that pledge.
Not one of the ten pledges but he did vow to end NHS outsourcing, he's reneged on that and streeting is giddy with excitement at the prospect.
We could go on until the next election but the proof will be in the pudding so I'll let you have the last word on the issue.
Has he said he will not end or change outsourcing?
Exactly.Literally all he’s said is “well have to look at the state of the economy we inherit and may not be able to do everything as quickly as we wanted”. The rest is SCG and right wing spin.
Has he said he will not end or change outsourcing?
I think the one thing we can all agree on is the quality of politicians across all parties is appalling an surely at an all time low but Starmer being slightly less shit than the rest is hardly a ringing endorsement.I agree with you. But who is there that would be better than Starmer for Labour? Not one person has answered this question.
'Starmer appeared to say'.Keir Starmer scraps pledge to end NHS private sector outsourcing
Labour leader suggests breaking promise could help him win electionwww.independent.co.uk
And as has been said a fair few times now nobody has said he is perfect. Far from it. Yet those who keep coming out with the same lines can't come out with someone better.I think the one thing we can all agree on is the quality of politicians across all parties is appalling an surely at an all time low but Starmer being slightly less shit than the rest is hardly a ringing endorsement.
Just reading Lisa Nandy’s book. She’s got a visionAnd as has been said a fair few times now nobody has said he is perfect. Far from it. Yet those who keep coming out with the same lines can't come out with someone better.
At this present time we have a decent chance of a Labour win next election with Starmer in charge. A much better prospect than another 5 years of the Tories. Or we can go with the far left of the party and bring Corbyn back. That would guarantee another Tory win.
I would be happy if just one person constantly having a go at Starmer would come up with a name which would give us better prospects. But personally I can't think of one from any party.
Ah so you haven't read the article or you don't want to admit that the headline doesn't match the wording of the rest of the article.Keir Starmer scraps pledge to end NHS private sector outsourcing
Labour leader suggests breaking promise could help him win electionwww.independent.co.uk
She certainly has.Just reading Lisa Nandy’s book. She’s got a vision
Misogyny rears its ugly head yet again....Well that’s for certain. Rachel reeves is definitely colour blind. The poor girl thinks the Rosette she wears is blue. Shouldn’t someone tell her?
What has someone being gay got to do with someone wanting to change gender?She certainly has.
My wife is best friends of the Unite Union person in charge of our county. I also know her well from other means. Nandy was her choice of Labour leader. The book is a decent read.
But Labour leader? She is worse than wee krankie from Scotland. She is all for 13 year olds to be taken seriously on gender change. She is all for male rapists who then say they are female to be put into female prisons.
A lot of what she says is spot on. But she has ideals that are far off the mark.
My 21 year old daughter knew she was gay when she was 15. By the time she was 16 she knew she wasn't. So how is a 13 year old supposed to cope?
We are in crazy times. And someone who is so much out of touch with the general public should get nowhere near being Labour leader if we ever want to get voted in again.
A man is a man. A woman is a woman. She shouldn't be known as a person who chest feeds. She should be safe in women's personal spaces. But if Nandy had her way any bloke who identifies as a woman would be able to join women everywhere. Would you be happy for your wife/partner to have to share her private space with any bloke who says they are a woman?
Yes transgender people need help. But not at the expense of women. It took hundreds of years for women to have rights. Now a small percentage of people want to take their rights away. And Nandy is one of those.
That is one. But a few on here seem to make out it is nearly every single one.
If a 15 year old doesn't know how is a 13 year old supposed to know?What has someone being gay got to do with someone wanting to change gender?
And yet again who has said he is a perfect fit?We had it explained to us that his refusal to defend unions, some of which make 7 figure donations to his party, was to avoid falling into a ‘trap’. At least that’s what his fans were claiming.
At a time when the Tories are loudly talking about making it effectively illegal to strike, that’s not good enough.
And yet again who has said he is a perfect fit?
So who would you prefer as Labour leader?
It’s a lot more complex than that and telling someone they have to wait for an arbitrary age before discussing something/be taken seriously could lead to more problems.If a 15 year old doesn't know how is a 13 year old supposed to know?
Were your thoughts as a 13 year old correct?
Yes but she wants more.It’s a lot more complex than that and telling someone they have to wait for an arbitrary age before discussing something/be taken seriously could lead to more problems.
I’m sure there are a good number of people who even by 13-15 begin to question their gender - they should absolutely be offered support and guidance with that.
I’m sure she’d have no problem sharing a changing room with someone who’d undergone gender assignment surgery.Yes but she wants more.
And how about your partner sharing her private space with any bloke who says he identifies as a woman? If you're OK with that try asking your partner what she thinks.
Look at what has just happened to wee Krankie. And you try to defend someone who goes even further. Seems like you want someone unvotable.
So she would be happy to share her space with another woman. But that wasn't the question.I’m sure she’d have no problem sharing a changing room with someone who’d undergone gender assignment surgery.
I’m pretty out of touch with the pointless culture wars in the UK to be honest.
Society has a huge issue but not insurmountable. Safety is paramount when peoples rights are contradictory. There’s an answer in there somewhereShe certainly has.
My wife is best friends of the Unite Union person in charge of our county. I also know her well from other means. Nandy was her choice of Labour leader. The book is a decent read.
But Labour leader? She is worse than wee krankie from Scotland. She is all for 13 year olds to be taken seriously on gender change. She is all for male rapists who then say they are female to be put into female prisons.
A lot of what she says is spot on. But she has ideals that are far off the mark.
My 21 year old daughter knew she was gay when she was 15. By the time she was 16 she knew she wasn't. So how is a 13 year old supposed to cope?
We are in crazy times. And someone who is so much out of touch with the general public should get nowhere near being Labour leader if we ever want to get voted in again.
A man is a man. A woman is a woman. She shouldn't be known as a person who chest feeds. She should be safe in women's personal spaces. But if Nandy had her way any bloke who identifies as a woman would be able to join women everywhere. Would you be happy for your wife/partner to have to share her private space with any bloke who says they are a woman?
Yes transgender people need help. But not at the expense of women. It took hundreds of years for women to have rights. Now a small percentage of people want to take their rights away. And Nandy is one of those.
Good answer.Society has a huge issue but not insurmountable. Safety is paramount when peoples rights are contradictory. There’s an answer in there somewhere
Stop conflating 2 completely separate issues together… even if you didn’t intend to.If a 15 year old doesn't know how is a 13 year old supposed to know?
Were your thoughts as a 13 year old correct?
And would you be happy for your partner to share her personal space with any bloke who says he identifies as a woman?
Just reading this now - if this is happening in an education setting you need to contact OFSTED asap as it’s against the law.Good answer.
My biggest concern is my daughters, the youngest is 14, having to share facilities with any bloke who says he identifies as a woman. No proof at all needed. What people like Nandy wants is total freedom of anyone who says they identify as a woman. Google is everyone's friend. Easy to find out what people really think.
I don't even agree with transgender people competing with women in sport. If it continues those born a woman will never win anything.
Why don't you ask Nandy?Just reading this now - if this is happening in an education setting you need to contact OFSTED asap as it’s against the law.
I have no time for Nandy at all. I mentioned schools because it’s a real misconception of what happens in them regarding gender etc which stokes emotive feelings in a lot of people, but the reality is that children are safe and protected at all times.Why don't you ask Nandy?
Go swimming? Nandy wants anyone who says they identify as a woman to use women's facilities. If I take my daughters swimming I can't go in with them unless I identify as a woman. School was never mentioned.
Do you have daughters? If you do you will understand my concerns.
Again you come out with the school line. So children only get changed at school?Stop conflating 2 completely separate issues together… even if you didn’t intend to.
Up to the age of 16 a young person can get all the advice they want, but they can’t change anything legally or otherwise. They get to have their preferred name and pronouns used in school if they wish and every single other person should respect that because it is their choice and they are entitled to do so.
But they still get their GCSE certificates in their legal name because that’s the law.
Safeguarding trumps everything - kids are safe and protected in schools, the idea that a child identifying with a different gender can infiltrate a personal space such as a changing room or toilet is preposterous.
It is however a popular attack line for the culture war warriors which I am sure you are not one.
"Asked whether she thought a 13-year-old should be able to self-certificate their gender, she said: “No. I think they deserve to be taken seriously."Why don't you ask Nandy?
Go swimming? Nandy wants anyone who says they identify as a woman to use women's facilities. If I take my daughters swimming I can't go in with them unless I identify as a woman. School was never mentioned.
Do you have daughters? If you do you will understand my concerns.
Out of interest if a student wishes to be they/them would teachers and other students be punished for not going along with that either intentionally or unintentionally?Stop conflating 2 completely separate issues together… even if you didn’t intend to.
Up to the age of 16 a young person can get all the advice they want, but they can’t change anything legally or otherwise. They get to have their preferred name and pronouns used in school if they wish and every single other person should respect that because it is their choice and they are entitled to do so.
But they still get their GCSE certificates in their legal name because that’s the law.
Safeguarding trumps everything - kids are safe and protected in schools, the idea that a child identifying with a different gender can infiltrate a personal space such as a changing room or toilet is preposterous.
It is however a popular attack line for the culture war warriors which I am sure you are not one.
Only takes one wrong un to ruin a life forever.I have no time for Nandy at all. I mentioned schools because it’s a real misconception of what happens in them regarding gender etc which stokes emotive feelings in a lot of people, but the reality is that children are safe and protected at all times.
I do have a daughter yes so I can understand your concerns. But this is where I feel the whole approach to this is wrong.
Every person has the right to live their life as they choose, equally every person has the right to feel protected just as much.
The government approach has to be safe-guarding centred first and step away from the culture war surrounding it.
I was explaining the school position that was all, it’s also my only real frame of reference to be honest.Again you come out with the school line. So children only get changed at school?
OK Nandy for PM. What could go wrong? Wee Krankie was a one off. Did she resign for no reason?
But if you have daughters would you be happy for them to get changed in an area that any bloke says he identifies as a woman can go in?
And here comes the first idiot who wants to look good."Asked whether she thought a 13-year-old should be able to self-certificate their gender, she said: “No. I think they deserve to be taken seriously."
Stop making this shit up. You're falling for all the gutter press culture war shit.
Not that that's surprising.
Well he would as a school teacher!Again you come out with the school line.
People make mistakes in school with pronouns - I know I have before. I don’t think there would be any sanctions unless we were talking about sustained and deliberate targeting, essentially bullying.Out of interest if a student wishes to be they/them would teachers and other students be punished for not going along with that either intentionally or unintentionally?
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