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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (22 Viewers)

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PVA

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,556
dubed said:
How many foodbanks qualifies as an achievement then?
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Are you really as daft as poor old Fred?
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,557
Ian1779 said:
You are right - but what it does tell you that the agenda in these areas is cutting through.... and it’s not Starmer Tory-lite tribute.
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This is why Labour is in a pickle. A knee-jerk shift to the left won’t really do the party any favours. Corbyn ran on a radical manifesto. The obvious fact is that culturally, Labour needs to do something to win back its culturally conservative base. Be it Starmer or Corbyn, the party is seen as too metropolitan and too aloof of the needs of country north of London.

There are lessons to be learned, and I don’t think the Labour establishment has got it in them to learn these lessons and to adapt their messaging.

The first thing is to come out and accept Brexit and build a post-Brexit Labour vision for the UK.
 

clint van damme

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,558
Mucca Mad Boys said:
The first thing is to come out and accept Brexit and build a post-Brexit Labour vision for the UK.
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not get an ardent remainer to contest a staunch Brexit constituency then?!
 
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Ian1779

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,559
Mucca Mad Boys said:
This is why Labour is in a pickle. A knee-jerk shift to the left won’t really do the party any favours. Corbyn ran on a radical manifesto. The obvious fact is that culturally, Labour needs to do something to win back its culturally conservative base. Be it Starmer or Corbyn, the party is seen as too metropolitan and too aloof of the needs of country north of London.

There are lessons to be learned, and I don’t think the Labour establishment has got it in them to learn these lessons and to adapt their messaging.

The first thing is to come out and accept Brexit and build a post-Brexit Labour vision for the UK.
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The party should focus on the areas where it has control and look to make a difference at local level for now. What can it’s councils implement, what can these metro mayors do - and then go and share that message and tell people what you actually did. And forget the word waffle bollocks.
 
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Grendel

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,560
Ian1779 said:
The party should focus on the areas where it has control and look to make a difference at local level for now. What can it’s councils implement, what can these metro mayors do - and then go and share that message and tell people what you actually did. And forget the word waffle bollocks.
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It’s all fine according to David
 
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clint van damme

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,561
Ian1779 said:
The party should focus on the areas where it has control and look to make a difference at local level for now. What can it’s councils implement, what can these metro mayors do - and then go and share that message and tell people what you actually did. And forget the word waffle bollocks.
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Starmer had disbanded the community organising unit, another mistake.
One thing that's come from these elections is that engagement with the community has been a significant factor in some of the big results for either party.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,562
Vile c**t Sturgeon pledging to devote another 4 years to breaking the union rather than governing
 
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Ian1779

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,563
So much for Kier taking responsibility....

 

Grendel

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,564
Ian1779 said:
So much for Kier taking responsibility....

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she is a disaster to be fair
 
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Ian1779

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,565
Grendel said:
she is a disaster to be fair
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Maybe he’ll sack himself too then
 

David O'Day

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,566
Ian1779 said:
Shit take of the day here.
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Why, it's factual unlike a lot of the fucking nonsense posted on this thread in the last few days.
 

clint van damme

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,567
Ian1779 said:
So much for Kier taking responsibility....

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this didn't end well then?

 

Ian1779

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,568
So since taking personal responsibility for Thursday, he plans to sack his female chancellor, has sacked his female deputy from her chair role (a working class woman too at that) - all that is left surely for him to do is the Scooby Doo reveal and pull out that Blue rosette from under his jacket.
 
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clint van damme

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,569
Ian1779 said:
So since taking personal responsibility for Thursday, he plans to sack his female chancellor, has sacked his female deputy from her chair role (a working class woman too at that) - all that is left surely for him to do is the Scooby Doo reveal and pull out that Blue rosette from under his jacket.
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she had been putting the boot into Johnson in the run up to the elections, I can't imagine that went down well with Keith.
 

Grendel

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,570
David O'Day said:
Strangely I thought it would be worse than this.

Anyway in Cov South Corbyn was mentioned far more on the doorstep than KS.

Don't believe every "leak"
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What were you doing knocking doors David

We’re Sinn Fein standing here?
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,571
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Vile c**t Sturgeon pledging to devote another 4 years to breaking the union rather than governing
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There are many SNP voters that don't want independence .

She's barking up the wrong tree
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,572
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,573
Deleted member 5849 said:
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its not on journalists ..however its about time the old Gammon shite stopped ... wouldn't you say
 

Skybluefaz

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,574
Deleted member 5849 said:
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2 rite. Labour r a jk!
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,575
Evo1883 said:
Not true though
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tbf, the journalist didn't name him...
 

David O'Day

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,576
Evo1883 said:
There are many SNP voters that don't want independence .

She's barking up the wrong tree
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True they do outpoll independence. They are seen as the progressive option that aren't labour
 

clint van damme

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,577
Evo1883 said:
its not on journalists ..however its about time the old Gammon shite stopped ... wouldn't you say
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wokeness gone mad!!
 

David O'Day

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,578
Ian1779 said:
So since taking personal responsibility for Thursday, he plans to sack his female chancellor, has sacked his female deputy from her chair role (a working class woman too at that) - all that is left surely for him to do is the Scooby Doo reveal and pull out that Blue rosette from under his jacket.
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Taking about shit takes - what does the sex of either the person in charge of national campaigns or the chancellor the left have spent the last 5 months calling to be replaced have to do with anything?
 

Ian1779

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,579
David O'Day said:
Taking about shit takes - what does the sex of either the person in charge of national campaigns or the chancellor the left have spent the last 5 months calling to be replaced have to do with anything?
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You may well be right - but if you’ve learnt anything about Boris and the Tories over the last 24 months it’s that perception is everything.

The London metropolitan lawyer sack his female, working class deputy 2 days after delivering a shit-show in the local elections, after claiming to take full responsibility.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,580
Evo1883 said:
There are many SNP voters that don't want independence .

She's barking up the wrong tree
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It’s pretty foolhardy to vote SNP if you oppose independence
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,581
clint van damme said:
wokeness gone mad!!
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On another note , I see momentum (the organisation that requires labour membership to join ) are still retweeting wankers like Owen jones on twitter .



 
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Evo1883

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,582
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It’s pretty foolhardy to vote SNP if you oppose independence
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True but many people vote genuinely on local issues
 

David O'Day

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,583
Ian1779 said:
You may well be right - but if you’ve learnt anything about Boris and the Tories over the last 24 months it’s that perception is everything.

The London metropolitan lawyer sack his female, working class deputy 2 days after delivering a shit-show in the local elections, after claiming to take full responsibility.
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She's still a close member of the leadership team, she's just being replaced in her campaign management roles after a pretty bad campaign.

I doubt most people give a fuck who the Chairman/Head of national campaigning of the Labour party is.


With the shadow chancellor there's every chance she is replaced by a female if she is shuffled
 

Philosoraptor

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,584
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Vile c**t Sturgeon pledging to devote another 4 years to breaking the union rather than governing
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Just for you Brighton, this has been hanging around reception for a week or two now.

 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,585
Evo1883 said:
its not on journalists ..however its about time the old Gammon shite stopped ... wouldn't you say
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What, you reckon he should change his name by deed poll?
 

Skybluefaz

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,586
PVA said:
A journalist calling people gammon = Labour being decimated

The actual government stealing taxpayers money and piling the bodies high = Tories getting more and more popular



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The journalist was referencing a man by his actual name.
 

Skybluefaz

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,587
Deleted member 5849 said:
What, you reckon he should change his name by deed poll?
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Can't believe that made its way into the net through so many bodies.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,588
PVA said:
A journalist calling people gammon = Labour being decimated
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He didn't
 
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clint van damme

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  • May 8, 2021
  • #2,589
Evo1883 said:
On another note , I see momentum (the organisation that requires labour membership to join ) are still retweeting wankers like Owen jones on twitter .



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why do people hate Owen jones? I find him inoffensive, I don't agree with much of what he says but I don't understand the hatred he brings out in people on both the left and right.
 
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  • May 8, 2021
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Skybluefaz said:
Can't believe that made its way into the net through so many bodies.
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For the politically disengaged...

 
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