Brighton Sky Blue
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I completely agree
I completely agreeNo one seems to have mentioned that I think Mr Corbyn is the first political leader since Jeremy Thorpe to be told he’s not fit to stand as a party candidate at a general election - I’m not sure Thorpe even had that
It seems Starmer acknowledges his predecessors anti Jewish stance and not acceptable
No one I’m sure disagrees
They both passed away.Harold Wilson and Michael Foot were once expelled from the Labour Party, whatever happened to them?
Come off it, it's utter nonsenseNo one seems to have mentioned that I think Mr Corbyn is the first political leader since Jeremy Thorpe to be told he’s not fit to stand as a party candidate at a general election - I’m not sure Thorpe even had that
It seems Starmer acknowledges his predecessors anti Jewish stance and not acceptable
No one I’m sure disagrees
Come off it, it's utter nonsense
I think that extends to Jewish Labour members who happened to support Corbyn as well. That's fine though as they are not real Jews.“That door is open and if you don’t like it leave the room now”
I think that extends to Jewish Labour members who happened to support Corbyn as well. That's fine though as they are not real Jews.
So much for the broad church (or synagogue if you like)
the church Mr Starmer was happy to follow of course when he was Mr Corbyns ally and said nothing
You still don't seem to get it.One said ‘British Jews will no longer have to vote out of fear’. Sky News once ran a piece saying ‘Labour denies they are like the Nazis’ with an MP saying she had again started packing her bags by the door.
Corbyn was very thinly veiled being compared to an actual Nazi. What did people think was going to happen if he got elected? Would he start trying to pass Nazi style anti Semitic legislation?
Of course you were - fence sitters find a way to each other.As you most probably remember I was all for Starmer.
Politely, debating with you is a bit of a waste of time. I can't tell if you misinterpret most that is said on purpose or if it's genuineYou still don't seem to get it.
As I said at the time it was all to do with too many skeletons in the closet. And before you try shouting me down yet again for saying so please consider the facts. Is he anti Jewish? Don't think so. Is he or has he ever been a terrorist? Most probably not. But it always took away from voting for Labour. He was never going to win an election although many on here knew he would win.
As you most probably remember I was all for Starmer. But those who thought Corbyn was the one thought Starmer is too boring. Boring is good these days. I look forward to a Labour win next election. But we need Rayner to keep her mouth shut.
Let's put it another way. If the antisemitism and the IRA stuff was to do with a Tory leader would you just ignore it?
Of course.Politely, debating with you is a bit of a waste of time. I can't tell if you misinterpret most that is said on purpose or if it's genuine
Monster Raving Looney?Of course.
Shall we quote posts made previously?
There are 3 parties. Labour. Tories. Then those of us that are realistic.
Show me where I have ever been a fence sitter.Of course you were - fence sitters find a way to each other.
Starmer will be the next PM, but you watch him waste a real opportunity for change.
A competent David Brent.
Of course you were - fence sitters find a way to each other.
Starmer will be the next PM, but you watch him waste a real opportunity for change.
A competent David Brent.
And what did Corbyn do? Most polarised elections ever against two unpopular PMs and fucked it spectacularly. There’s no change without first winning power.
The left needs to get serious about getting elected if it actually wants change. But it doesn’t, it’s far happier on the sidelines. There was a real opportunity for the left to find a competent leader who was young, no baggage, not a complete loon. And they blew it all on magic grandpa and are continuing to blow it because loyalty to the old school left means more than getting a socialist government elected.
What those on the left of the party always forget is that it’s not the right or the left than run Labour, it’s the soft left. And the soft left will take some influence over none but generally believe in the same things as the left. If the left could offer a route to government they’d get their backing. But repeatedly they’ve shown they can’t.
There was a real start of something 2015-17 that could have led to a credible left, but it was always going to need Corbyn to ameliorate his views and apologise for his past actions or to give way to someone who would. The people chosen to push as leadership contenders post Corbyn were generally awful and chosen for loyalty not quality. The left candidates parachuted in in 2017 were generally not very good politicians as they pulled from the activist base.
He did better than I expected against May to be fair to him.
Corbyn only lost because Farage sold out to the Tories. But for that the Tories would have been slaughtered and Labour elected with a landslide.
Are you really suggesting that the current Labour shadow cabinet represent the 'soft left'. What is actually left wing about them?
well he showed passion and enthusiasm which gets some attention
the irony is if he didn’t succumb to drippy Starmer and his brexit get out and stuck to his anti EU stance most of the red wall would have remained
I know you're earning a few quid now but stop drifting to the right eh? I'm hardly a radical socialist just wanting public services to be properly funded and an actual welfare state.Everyone is right wing to you. Anyway I’m talking about members not MPs. The left lost the leadership election because it lost the confidence of soft left members that backed Corbyn previously.
His polling dropped off a cliff because of his Russia stance, not because of Brexit policy.
2019Wut? Which election are you on about?
Everyone is right wing to you. Anyway I’m talking about members not MPs. The left lost the leadership election because it lost the confidence of soft left members that backed Corbyn previously.
So the red wall voters didn’t vote for labour had nothing to do with his brexit stance and they voted for Boris as he had the strap like Get Putin Done
it’s all making sense now
There are two things in this world that send your objectivity down the toilet
Starmer
Jamie Allen
Absolute nonsense.2019
Brexit party will not contest 317 Tory-won seats, Farage says
Party leader announces election climbdown in effort to avoid splitting leave votewww.theguardian.com
You mean two things I disagree with you on. Starmer is objectively likely to be the next PM, Jamie Allen is objectively a poor player for a top half Championship team. Fight me.
Lets be honest now you pay higher rate tax and see the benefits of capitalism you’ll be voting Tory in 5 yearsIm telling you what the polling shows us. Johnson wasn’t particularly popular but Corbyn was an anathema to a lot of voters. Only 20% of switchers said Brexit was the reason:
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But you live in an absolute fantasy land for this stuff and can’t see outside your bubble so I’m not surprised you’re taking the Corbynista line hook line and sinker.
Everyone is right wing to you. Anyway I’m talking about members not MPs. The left lost the leadership election because it lost the confidence of soft left members that backed Corbyn previously.
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