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shmmeee

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  • Feb 6, 2023
  • #25,936
Target on Rishi’s back. Probably just nutters stirring the pot, but would be hilarious if they got rid of him. Saw a pretty accurate comment on Twitter: “Sunak is simultaneously a terrible PM who will lose and the Tories best chance of avoiding annihilation”

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shmmeee

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  • Feb 6, 2023
  • #25,937
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But we have to pay them the excessive salary's to attract the brightest and best...
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The problem isn’t the salary per se, it’s the selection process that requires you to be a political nutter who spends years in dull as dishwater meeting “paying your dues” or be so nuts you’re a Conservative Party member.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Feb 6, 2023
  • #25,938
shmmeee said:
The problem isn’t the salary per se, it’s the selection process that requires you to be a political nutter who spends years in dull as dishwater meeting “paying your dues” or be so nuts you’re a Conservative Party member.
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I think there are many competent mps that’s why I think the answer is they are xxxntx
 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 6, 2023
  • #25,939
Sky Blue Pete said:
I think there are many competent mps that’s why I think the answer is they are xxxntx
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There are many competent ones, the problem really is the big names aren’t anything like as serious minded as the big beasts of old for me. So the representation of MPs the public gets is skewed towards nutters who will say nutty things on TV that go viral.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Feb 6, 2023
  • #25,940
shmmeee said:
Target on Rishi’s back. Probably just nutters stirring the pot, but would be hilarious if they got rid of him. Saw a pretty accurate comment on Twitter: “Sunak is simultaneously a terrible PM who will lose and the Tories best chance of avoiding annihilation”

12ft

12ft.io
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Said it before but there is no-one who can unite the tories it's so fractured now.
Whoever they install will have someone gunning for them internally.
 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 6, 2023
  • #25,941
clint van damme said:
Said it before but there is no-one who can unite the tories it's so fractured now.
Whoever they install will have someone gunning for them internally.
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I think I’m right in saying Sunak is still the most popular Tory MP with the public (may have changed, I know his ratings have been dropping). So anyone they replace him with is almost certain to drag them down further.

I’m resigned to us not getting a GE until as late as possible so am able to find all this highly amusing instead of intensely distressing somehow.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Feb 6, 2023
  • #25,942
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But we have to pay them the excessive salary's to attract the brightest and best...
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They aren't particularly well paid given the importance of what they do, or should do. Of course some of them aren't worth what they do get and frankly ones like Liz Truss, Peter Bone or Nadine Dorries wouldn't be worth minimum wage. However, that doesn't mean that the responsibility of the role shouldn't be better recognised.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Feb 6, 2023
  • #25,943
shmmeee said:
The problem isn’t the salary per se, it’s the selection process that requires you to be a political nutter who spends years in dull as dishwater meeting “paying your dues” or be so nuts you’re a Conservative Party member.
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That was largely my point. It's more to do with arse-licking than ability.

How many jobs are there that have literally has no minimum education requirement? Let alone one that puts you on over 80k and gives you a say in how to run the country? All you have to do is get your name down under the right rosette in the right constituency and you're a shoo-in.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 6, 2023
  • #25,944
shmmeee said:
I think I’m right in saying Sunak is still the most popular Tory MP with the public (may have changed, I know his ratings have been dropping). So anyone they replace him with is almost certain to drag them down further.

I’m resigned to us not getting a GE until as late as possible so am able to find all this highly amusing instead of intensely distressing somehow.
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Not amusing for the country as a whole, in fact quite the opposite.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Feb 6, 2023
  • #25,945
Deleted member 9744 said:
They aren't particularly well paid given the importance of what they do, or should do. Of course some of them aren't worth what they do get and frankly ones like Liz Truss, Peter Bone or Nadine Dorries wouldn't be worth minimum wage. However, that doesn't mean that the responsibility of the role shouldn't be better recognised.
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I don't disagree with that.

It just seems a poor argument that the pay will attract the brightest and best. It won't, even if it was higher. There will be those who want to do it to improve the country and make a difference, in which case the pay will be secondary to them, just as it is for nurses, teachers etc. The other people it attracts are those with a self-inflated ego on a power trip, and again money is secondary. For me an MP should be doing the job predominantly for the desire to make things better, not because the remuneration package is pretty tidy.

There are plenty of intelligent people who have jobs that earn less than an MP's salary, so why don't they do it? Because the nature of the job doesn't appeal to them. Making the role attractive to those whose primary incentive is the pay isn't going to be better.

Also if we want MP's to be able to relate to the average person on the street, is giving them a wage massively above that of the vast majority of the people going to help them to do that?

You could make an MP's salary £1m and it'd still be filled with inept charlatans. Just these would be greedier inept charlatans.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 6, 2023
  • #25,946
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I don't disagree with that.

It just seems a poor argument that the pay will attract the brightest and best. It won't, even if it was higher. There will be those who want to do it to improve the country and make a difference, in which case the pay will be secondary to them, just as it is for nurses, teachers etc. The other people it attracts are those with a self-inflated ego on a power trip, and again money is secondary. For me an MP should be doing the job predominantly for the desire to make things better, not because the remuneration package is pretty tidy.

There are plenty of intelligent people who have jobs that earn less than an MP's salary, so why don't they do it? Because the nature of the job doesn't appeal to them. Making the role attractive to those whose primary incentive is the pay isn't going to be better.

Also if we want MP's to be able to relate to the average person on the street, is giving them a wage massively above that of the vast majority of the people going to help them to do that?

You could make an MP's salary £1m and it'd still be filled with inept charlatans. Just these would be greedier inept charlatans.
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Western society in general pays loads to people who don't deserve it and not enough to those who do.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Feb 6, 2023
  • #25,947
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Not amusing for the country as a whole, in fact quite the opposite.
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I like to find joy where I can. Can’t change it.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Feb 6, 2023
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shmmeee said:
I like to find joy where I can. Can’t change it.
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Harder now she's left the City
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Feb 7, 2023
  • #25,949
There’s a suggestion that Truss’ “comeback” will hit the Tories in the polls. Maybe that was the point in the first place. An opportunity to stick the knife in Sunak.
 

David O'Day

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  • Feb 7, 2023
  • #25,950
skybluetony176 said:
There’s a suggestion that Truss’ “comeback” will hit the Tories in the polls. Maybe that was the point in the first place. An opportunity to stick the knife in Sunak.
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they know they are going to lose so it's civil war time, it's brilliant
 

clint van damme

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  • Feb 7, 2023
  • #25,951
skybluetony176 said:
There’s a suggestion that Truss’ “comeback” will hit the Tories in the polls. Maybe that was the point in the first place. An opportunity to stick the knife in Sunak.
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There was some clown from the brexit party on 5live defending her this morning, what a clown he was.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Feb 7, 2023
  • #25,952
clint van damme said:
There was some clown from the brexit party on 5live defending her this morning, what a clown he was.
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Tice?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 7, 2023
  • #25,953
What pisses me off is that Trussonomics and the uber right wing laissez-faire economics view points are constantly on the BBC (TPA, IEA etc), yet mild social democracy is painted as a new Bolshevik Revolution.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Feb 7, 2023
  • #25,954
David O'Day said:
Tice?
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Can't remember his name but it wasn't Tice
 
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Macca1987

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  • Feb 7, 2023
  • #25,955
So now Sunak is going to split up his BEIS department, if there isn't enough cretins around his table as ministers, why not create some more, fucking halfwits
 

clint van damme

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  • Feb 7, 2023
  • #25,956
Macca1987 said:
So now Sunak is going to split up his BEIS department, if there isn't enough cretins around his table as ministers, why not create some more, fucking halfwits
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I actually think creating a seperate department focusing on energy security is a good idea.

The problem is how much can they achieve when part of their remit will be to ensure whatever they come up with doesn't harm the profits of their spiv mates at the oil and utility companies?
 
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Macca1987

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  • Feb 7, 2023
  • #25,957
clint van damme said:
I actually think creating a seperate department focusing on energy security is a good idea.

The problem is how much can they achieve when part of their remit will be to ensure whatever they come up with doesn't harm the profits of their spiv mates at the oil and utility companies?
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I agree with your first point. My issue is they will divide it up into three departments and then he will slot 3 of his cronies to head them, who won't have a clue on what is needed for this country, as you say more aligned to their spiv cronies
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Feb 7, 2023
  • #25,958
clint van damme said:
I actually think creating a seperate department focusing on energy security is a good idea.

The problem is how much can they achieve when part of their remit will be to ensure whatever they come up with doesn't harm the profits of their spiv mates at the oil and utility companies?
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How very sceptical of you.

On an unrelated note

Energy prices to soar again as Jeremy Hunt rejects pleas to halt rise

Millions will see costs mount by another 40% in April as rebate scheme ends and chancellor lets cap go up to £3,000
www.theguardian.com
 

rondog1973

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  • Feb 7, 2023
  • #25,959
David O'Day said:
Tice?
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It was Lance Foreman
 
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David O'Day

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  • Feb 7, 2023
  • #25,960
rondog1973 said:
It was Lance Foreman
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oh the bloke who ruined his family salmon business
 

SBAndy

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  • Feb 7, 2023
  • #25,961
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day…

 
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clint van damme

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  • Feb 7, 2023
  • #25,962
SBAndy said:
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day…

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Great news for those of us with crypto investment.
If redwoods against it its only a matter of time before it pays off handsomely.
 

David O'Day

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  • Feb 7, 2023
  • #25,963
30p Lee, lol
 

skybluetony176

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  • Feb 7, 2023
  • #25,964
David O'Day said:
30p Lee, lol
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David O'Day

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  • Feb 7, 2023
  • #25,965
30p Lee is real popular amongst hi sown party

 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 7, 2023
  • #25,966
David O'Day said:
30p Lee is real popular amongst hi sown party

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Bloody hell there are still half sensible Tories left in the PCP! Who knew?
 

stupot07

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  • Feb 7, 2023
  • #25,967

Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 7, 2023
  • #25,968
stupot07 said:

Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
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Announcing it like a signing WTF
 

SBAndy

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  • Feb 7, 2023
  • #25,969
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Announcing it like a signing WTF
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Rishi come closer, Rishi go back
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 7, 2023
  • #25,970
SBAndy said:
Rishi come closer, Rishi go back
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Hot off the press, but teachers at Rishi's old school will be striking over pensions.
 
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