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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 29, 2023
  • #25,761
Sky Blue Pete said:
If you follow the journalist who’s investigating it he’s been brilliant at setting Nadeem up by asking what he already knew and Nadeem has lied and obfuscated throughout the process
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He’s a slippery fucker. I’d heard a couple of other things about him as landlord that were less than complimentary. Him as chancellor with Johnson as PM…bet everyone had to check their watches and wallets with those pair in charge
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jan 29, 2023
  • #25,762
chiefdave said:
Be interesting now what comes out about Sunaks taxes. Given the questions that have been repeatedly asked, and refused to answer, in the last few days you have to wonder if the press know he has done something similar.
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I did find the "taxes are private" line very suspicious.

You can only imagine that he's had the balls to sack Zahawi after checking he hadn't and thus put himself in an awkward position if the revelation came out.

We already know that the guy will avoid huge amounts of tax wherever he can, but I guess that's from employing people to do stuff that's legal but unethical, whereas by the sounds of it Zahawi was more not telling HMRC everything..
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jan 29, 2023
  • #25,763
CCFCSteve said:
He did the right thing by having the inquiry if zahawi was defending his position and got to the right conclusion. The fact zahawi should’ve just walked and was in the position of chancellor and then chair, is a different matter.

Hasn’t it only taken a couple of weeks from the newspaper article ? Obriens never happy, think he lives is a state of constant misery…unless he’s listening to his own voice
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Still trying to work out why an inquiry into an inquiry was required. HMRC already had an inquiry, he was guilty. What else did Sunak need to know to come to the inevitable conclusion he was always going to have to come too?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 29, 2023
  • #25,764
skybluetony176 said:
Still trying to work out why an inquiry into an inquiry was required. HMRC already had an inquiry, he was guilty. What else did Sunak need to know to come to the inevitable conclusion he was always going to have to come too?
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I guess it’s whether there were any mitigating factors/circumstances and to be seen to be following due process. Don’t get me wrong, if this had gone on for weeks or months then I’d be wondering WFT was happening, however, a week or two is hardly something to get wound up about, especially when the end conclusion was the correct one
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jan 29, 2023
  • #25,765
CCFCSteve said:
I guess it’s whether there were any mitigating factors/circumstances and to be seen to be following due process. Don’t get me wrong, if this had gone on for weeks or months then I’d be wondering WFT was happening, however, a week or two is hardly something to get wound up about, especially when the end conclusion was the correct one
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But it has been going on for months. He was red flagged when he first became a minister, the reasons why were reported last summer. It’s a stretch to suggest that this has suddenly crept up on Sunak. He’s got a bigger problem now anyway, he’s now got to explain why after sacking Zahawi for breaking the ministerial code he still has Braverman in a job.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 29, 2023
  • #25,766
PVA said:
Absolutely shameless. Guy is a snake.


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What a wanker and a hypocrite.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 29, 2023
  • #25,767
Sky Blue Pete said:
If you follow the journalist who’s investigating it he’s been brilliant at setting Nadeem up by asking what he already knew and Nadeem has lied and obfuscated throughout the process
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He's not a journalist. But hes showed up the media in this country for the useless, compliant shower of shit they actually are.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 29, 2023
  • #25,768
clint van damme said:
He's not a journalist. But hes showed up the media in this country for the useless, compliant shower of shit they actually are.
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As Chomsky once called it, 'manufactured consent'.
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #25,769

Get your votes in.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #25,770
Skybluefaz said:

Get your votes in.
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Theyre onto us lads! Scarper!

 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #25,771
shmmeee said:
Theyre onto us lads! Scarper!

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The hard left, haha! What a prat.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #25,772
clint van damme said:
The hard left, haha! What a prat.
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I voted yes for the lols anyway
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #25,773
The mentalists. I think 30p Lee would be great Conservative Party chairman…. for the Labour Party. Give Gullis a job too and Desmond Swayne. Put all the nuttiest of the nut jobs in the front window of the Tory party. The more ridiculous they look the more normal people will turn away from them.
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #25,774
skybluetony176 said:
The mentalists. I think 30p Lee would be great Conservative Party chairman…. for the Labour Party. Give Gullis a job too and Desmond Swayne. Put all the nuttiest of the nut jobs in the front window of the Tory party. The more ridiculous they look the more normal people will turn away from them.
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He's just a normal man. Innocent man.

 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #25,775
This is hilarious

 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 31, 2023
  • #25,776
This is on top of being the only G7 economy not to return to pre pandemic levels

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Why are we the only ones being this badly affected by Covid and the war in Ukraine?
It's almost as if that's bullshit and there are other factors at play.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 31, 2023
  • #25,777
clint van damme said:
This is on top of being the only G7 economy not to return to pre pandemic levels

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Why are we the only ones being this badly affected by Covid and the war in Ukraine?
It's almost as if that's bullshit and there are other factors at play.
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It’s cause we are lazy workshy fuckwits
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 31, 2023
  • #25,778
clint van damme said:
This is on top of being the only G7 economy not to return to pre pandemic levels

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Why are we the only ones being this badly affected by Covid and the war in Ukraine?
It's almost as if that's bullshit and there are other factors at play.
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Militant nurses, teachers, postmen, and railway signallers. All their fault for not being team players. Rishi even offered to touch base, they wouldn’t get on board.
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Jan 31, 2023
  • #25,779
5 live says Russia will perform better than the UK financially. Wtf?
 

chiefdave

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  • Jan 31, 2023
  • #25,780
clint van damme said:
Why are we the only ones being this badly affected by Covid and the war in Ukraine?
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its amazing how many people will parrot that line when you bring up the state the country is

Starmer really needs to do some work on getting the message through that other countries have been impacted by covid and Ukraine and aren't in the mess we are
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 31, 2023
  • #25,781
I wouldnt pay too much attention to forecasts. BoE are likely to announce this week that rather than an eight quarter (two year !!!) recession we will only contract but half as much as they expected and for half as long. Their previous forecast…three months ago !

I think we’re now back above pre pandemic levels

UK Economy Back to Pre-Covid Levels

Service sector main driver of growth in October, ONS says. Inflation and interest rates are due this week
www.morningstar.co.uk

…however, economies contracted and then subsequently grew at different levels and different times around pandemic. We grew most last year amongst G7 but had contracted more during (maybe partially due to us being so service reliant) just as we and others were due to kick on, the war started.

Im not saying everything’s rosey, it’s not, but it’s also maybe not as bad as the headlines and forecasts would suggest and if energy prices/inflation can come down and stay down, hopefully it will be better than forecasts indicate. There’s also too many variables (main one being war) to accurately forecast at the moment
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 31, 2023
  • #25,782
CCFCSteve said:
I wouldnt pay too much attention to forecasts. BoE are likely to announce this week that rather than an eight quarter (two year !!!) recession we will only contract but half as much as they expected and for half as long. Their previous forecast…three months ago !

I think we’re now back above pre pandemic levels

UK Economy Back to Pre-Covid Levels

Service sector main driver of growth in October, ONS says. Inflation and interest rates are due this week
www.morningstar.co.uk

…however, economies contracted and then subsequently grew at different levels and different times around pandemic. We grew most last year amongst G7 but had contracted more during (maybe partially due to us being so service reliant) just as we and others were due to kick on, the war started.

Im not saying everything’s rosey, it’s not, but it’s also maybe not as bad as the headlines and forecasts would suggest and if energy prices/inflation can come down and stay down, hopefully it will be better than forecasts indicate. There’s also too many variables (main one being war) to accurately forecast at the moment
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Didn’t have you down as a Morning Star reader Steve!
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 31, 2023
  • #25,783
shmmeee said:
Didn’t have you down as a Morning Star reader Steve!
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Haha, read all sorts me !

I just googled the pre pandemic comment as I’ve seen contrasting views over recent weeks/months. Either way we’re barely above it
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 31, 2023
  • #25,784
CCFCSteve said:
Haha, read all sorts me !

I just googled the pre pandemic comment as I’ve seen contrasting views over recent weeks/months. Either way we’re barely above it
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It does look like the headwinds are easing. Still think we need a strong government to make some bold decisions post Brexit if we’re to get back on track and not sure Rishi is capable of that, seems to barely be holding his party together and rapidly losing voter confidence (his approvals have dropped quicker than most recently).

I do think SM access or that by another name would make a huge difference. And that’ll be a good couple of year negotiation post GE unless Starmer has been back channelling it in the mean time. Now the Truss Singapore on Sea stuff is dead in the water I’m not sure what other moves we could make to grow rapidly at the moment.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jan 31, 2023
  • #25,785
You know it’s shit when the Telegraph puts its hands up. Sort of…

Zero trains to run across 15 operators as February rail strikes hit commuters

Commuters will be left stranded across the country as 15 train operators run zero trains both tomorrow and Friday.
www.telegraph.co.uk
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 31, 2023
  • #25,786
shmmeee said:
It does look like the headwinds are easing. Still think we need a strong government to make some bold decisions post Brexit if we’re to get back on track and not sure Rishi is capable of that, seems to barely be holding his party together and rapidly losing voter confidence (his approvals have dropped quicker than most recently).

I do think SM access or that by another name would make a huge difference. And that’ll be a good couple of year negotiation post GE unless Starmer has been back channelling it in the mean time. Now the Truss Singapore on Sea stuff is dead in the water I’m not sure what other moves we could make to grow rapidly at the moment.
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Agree we need some bold decisions and I’m not sure Sunak will be able to deliver them due to divisions within party.

A closer relationship with EU is a must (on both sides) but as I’ve said before rejoining SM is just not going to happen in short term as it requires freedom or movement. Whatever people’s views on it that’s still toxic within major parties and probably public. Even just a closer relationship is likely to be scuppered by ERG lot though and you can’t run government like that

Think Sunak/Hunt are probably as good as Tories have got to offer and have at least stabilised things, whether they’ve got a deliverable vision is a different matter though. Sunaks personal ratings were damaged by Zahawi
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jan 31, 2023
  • #25,787
CCFCSteve said:
I wouldnt pay too much attention to forecasts. BoE are likely to announce this week that rather than an eight quarter (two year !!!) recession we will only contract but half as much as they expected and for half as long. Their previous forecast…three months ago !

I think we’re now back above pre pandemic levels

UK Economy Back to Pre-Covid Levels

Service sector main driver of growth in October, ONS says. Inflation and interest rates are due this week
www.morningstar.co.uk

…however, economies contracted and then subsequently grew at different levels and different times around pandemic. We grew most last year amongst G7 but had contracted more during (maybe partially due to us being so service reliant) just as we and others were due to kick on, the war started.

Im not saying everything’s rosey, it’s not, but it’s also maybe not as bad as the headlines and forecasts would suggest and if energy prices/inflation can come down and stay down, hopefully it will be better than forecasts indicate. There’s also too many variables (main one being war) to accurately forecast at the moment
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I think when reality plays out that will prove to be a blip. Whether you go by the IMF forecast or the expected BOE forecast the likelihood is that we’ll be below pre pandemic levels by the end of the quarter. Again.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 31, 2023
  • #25,788
CCFCSteve said:
Agree we need some bold decisions and I’m not sure Sunak will be able to deliver them due to divisions within party.

A closer relationship with EU is a must (on both sides) but as I’ve said before rejoining SM is just not going to happen in short term as it requires freedom or movement. Whatever people’s views on it that’s still toxic within major parties and probably public. Even just a closer relationship is likely to be scuppered by ERG lot though and you can’t run government like that

Think Sunak/Hunt are probably as good as Tories have got to offer and have at least stabilised things, whether they’ve got a deliverable vision is a different matter though. Sunaks personal ratings were damaged by Zahawi
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Yeah I don’t think it’ll be SM for those reasons, but something that gets us closer and reduces import/export issues. Maybe CU. But I think politically anything like that will have problems and it’ll have to be sold as a bunch of bespoke deals or something. How much appetite there is in Europe to play that game is another question of course. I get the impression they’d quite enjoy rubbing our noses in it.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 31, 2023
  • #25,789
chiefdave said:
its amazing how many people will parrot that line when you bring up the state the country is

Starmer really needs to do some work on getting the message through that other countries have been impacted by covid and Ukraine and aren't in the mess we are
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Including Russia!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 31, 2023
  • #25,790
CCFCSteve said:
Agree we need some bold decisions and I’m not sure Sunak will be able to deliver them due to divisions within party.

A closer relationship with EU is a must (on both sides) but as I’ve said before rejoining SM is just not going to happen in short term as it requires freedom or movement. Whatever people’s views on it that’s still toxic within major parties and probably public. Even just a closer relationship is likely to be scuppered by ERG lot though and you can’t run government like that

Think Sunak/Hunt are probably as good as Tories have got to offer and have at least stabilised things, whether they’ve got a deliverable vision is a different matter though. Sunaks personal ratings were damaged by Zahawi
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The country needs an election and has done for ages but the selfish people in government carry on despite being feckless at solving the problems at hand. Which lies in the solutions being counterintuitive to their ideology.
 
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CCFCSteve said:
Think Sunak/Hunt are probably as good as Tories have got to offer
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What joy(!)
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 31, 2023
  • #25,792
Deleted member 5849 said:
What joy(!)
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Done Gulis and Anderson dirty there
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 31, 2023
  • #25,793
skybluetony176 said:
I think when reality plays out that will prove to be a blip. Whether you go by the IMF forecast or the expected BOE forecast the likelihood is that we’ll be below pre pandemic levels by the end of the quarter. Again.
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Yeah, if there’s negative growth this quarter think you’ll be right
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 31, 2023
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What joy(!)
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You missing Truss/Kwarteng still mate ?

Let it go
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Jan 31, 2023
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