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skybluetony176

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  • Jan 26, 2023
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 26, 2023
  • #25,657
skybluetony176 said:
Who would you route for in this fight?

Andrew Bridgen threatens to sue Matt Hancock in Covid vaccine row

MP Andrew Bridgen claims he was libelled, but the former health secretary is standing by his comments.
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Matt Hancock obviously
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,658
What a completely unmitigated fuck up

HS2 will run through to London Euston, Chancellor Jeremy Hunt says

This follows reports that rising costs could mean the rail link might stop in the suburbs of west London.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,659
Brighton Sky Blue said:
What a completely unmitigated fuck up

HS2 will run through to London Euston, Chancellor Jeremy Hunt says

This follows reports that rising costs could mean the rail link might stop in the suburbs of west London.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Why can’t we build anything in this country? It’s embarrassing.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 27, 2023
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So what's the argument for HS2 full stop if it doesn't connect the North as it was supposed to, and now doesn't even connect London!
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,661
Brighton Sky Blue said:
What a completely unmitigated fuck up

HS2 will run through to London Euston, Chancellor Jeremy Hunt says

This follows reports that rising costs could mean the rail link might stop in the suburbs of west London.
www.bbc.co.uk
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To quote Robin Williams it’s like partial circumcision. Either go all the way or forget it.

Surely if you have to get off a fast train on the outskirts of London to get a slow train to Euston it negates the purpose of the fast train in the first place. It’s barely quicker than existing routes from Birmingham to London in the first place and you’re now going to put a train change on the route and the second train is going to be slower than the one you got off. Add that into the equation and it might actually be faster to use an existing route and have the convenience of not having to change trains too. Got to be a wind up surely. Have I been in a coma and by some quirk of fate woke up on April fools day.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,662
Deleted member 5849 said:
So what's the argument for HS2 full stop if it doesn't connect the North as it was supposed to, and now doesn't even connect London!
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I mean capacity is still needed, but not sure it’s going to help much if it doesn’t go to London. Though at least there’s the tube I guess? It really is pathetic. I’m a fan of the project, but we’ve really fucked it up.

Infrastructure in this country is a joke.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,663
Is this another case of the UK being unattractive to investors? The real issue being we can’t secure the extra funding needed to complete the projects most basic remit.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,664
shmmeee said:
I mean capacity is still needed, but not sure it’s going to help much if it doesn’t go to London. Though at least there’s the tube I guess? It really is pathetic. I’m a fan of the project, but we’ve really fucked it up.

Infrastructure in this country is a joke.
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The point being if it won't do what it's supposed to, it really has ripped up the historic Warwickshire countryside for no point.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,665
shmmeee said:
Why can’t we build anything in this country? It’s embarrassing.
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‘We might get it to Euston by 2038’. It needs to be scrapped urgently and the funds reinvested in regional transport.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,666
Deleted member 5849 said:
The point being if it won't do what it's supposed to, it really has ripped up the historic Warwickshire countryside for no point.
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Well it will eventually.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,667
Brighton Sky Blue said:
‘We might get it to Euston by 2038’. It needs to be scrapped urgently and the funds reinvested in regional transport.
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The point is it frees up capacity for regional transport.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,668
skybluetony176 said:
To quote Robin Williams it’s like partial circumcision. Either go all the way or forget it.

Surely if you have to get off a fast train on the outskirts of London to get a slow train to Euston it negates the purpose of the fast train in the first place. It’s barely quicker than existing routes from Birmingham to London in the first place and you’re now going to put a train change on the route and the second train is going to be slower than the one you got off. Add that into the equation and it might actually be faster to use an existing route and have the convenience of not having to change trains too. Got to be a wind up surely. Have I been in a coma and by some quirk of fate woke up on April fools day.
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The Italians have had excellent high speed rail for ages and have used it not just to get to Rome faster but to connect everything up. There’s no excuse for being this bad.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,669
shmmeee said:
The point is it frees up capacity for regional transport.
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The point is it’s about getting to London faster.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,670
shmmeee said:
I mean capacity is still needed, but not sure it’s going to help much if it doesn’t go to London. Though at least there’s the tube I guess? It really is pathetic. I’m a fan of the project, but we’ve really fucked it up.

Infrastructure in this country is a joke.
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But if you have choice between a route that takes you into central London from Birmingham on one train or a route that requires 2 trains and most likely no advantage on time which one are most people going to choose? If it’s not delivering you into central London it’s going to be underutilised so the the capacity will never be met.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,671
shmmeee said:
Well it will eventually.
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On what evidence? Leeds isn't happening, and Euston won't happen if they put any kind of delay on it.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,672
Just trying to get a handle on this. It is supposed to be 50 minutes faster from Birmingham to Euston, only now it’s not going to Euston. The suggestion is that it will now stop at Old Oak. Just checked, Old Oak to Euston is 40 minutes on existing stock. So basically that gives 10 minutes to get off one train to get on a second train to hopefully get to Euston at the same time as a train that could have got you there directly. Who is going to do that given the choice? In peak times people may not have a choice due to demand but at other times? What are they going to do? Run less trains on the existing route to force people on HS2? Inflate the price on the existing route to force people on HS2?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,673
skybluetony176 said:
But if you have choice between a route that takes you into central London from Birmingham on one train or a route that requires 2 trains and most likely no advantage on time which one are most people going to choose? If it’s not delivering you into central London it’s going to be underutilised so the the capacity will never be met.
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Im inclined to agree. Not bringing it to Euston is dumb as rocks.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,674
What are Labours infrastructure plans? Is it just “clean energy and nationalise rail” seems a bit unambitious TBH
 

Marty

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,675
skybluetony176 said:
Just trying to get a handle on this. It is supposed to be 50 minutes faster from Birmingham to Euston, only now it’s not going to Euston. The suggestion is that it will now stop at Old Oak. Just checked, Old Oak to Euston is 40 minutes on existing stock. So basically that gives 10 minutes to get off one train to get on a second train to hopefully get to Euston at the same time as a train that could have got you there directly. Who is going to do that given the choice? In peak times people may not have a choice due to demand but at other times? What are they going to do? Run less trains on the existing route to force people on HS2? Inflate the price on the existing route to force people on HS2?
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Not sure the 50 minutes faster is correct, I thought it was 20 mins faster? Pritty sure Cov to Euston is an hour on Avanti.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,676
shmmeee said:
Why can’t we build anything in this country? It’s embarrassing.
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As I said the other day, the key issue in UK is domestic and commercial property price inflation and that's at the root of this.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,677
Marty said:
Not sure the 50 minutes faster is correct, I thought it was 20 mins faster? Pritty sure Cov to Euston is an hour on Avanti.
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It is, or maybe just over. Same as Nuneaton.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,678
Deleted member 5849 said:
So what's the argument for HS2 full stop if it doesn't connect the North as it was supposed to, and now doesn't even connect London!
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Because that was never the argument for it, the argument is that it increases capacity on the other lines to allow more local trains
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,679
skybluetony176 said:
Is this another case of the UK being unattractive to investors? The real issue being we can’t secure the extra funding needed to complete the projects most basic remit.
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Not really, it's government funded and they can pay for anything they want to in £
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,680
fernandopartridge said:
As I said the other day, the key issue in UK is domestic and commercial property price inflation and that's at the root of this.
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Build more then. Build build build and fuck the NIMBYs quite frankly. Every time I see an MP playing for likes by opposing development it makes me so annoyed.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,681
I'm of the mind that it just needs to be accepted that major infrastructure will cost a lot of money but that cost is also actually short and long term investment in the economy. If it is partially scrapped it really is pathetic.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,682
HS2 should’ve started top of country down if at all. Like most large public sector infrastructure projects, a shambles with budget blown years ago
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,683
CCFCSteve said:
HS2 should’ve started top of country down if at all. Like most large public sector infrastructure projects, a shambles with budget blown years ago
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It's run by the private sector, HS2 Ltd full of all the greatest from the private sector allegedly
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,684
shmmeee said:
Build more then. Build build build and fuck the NIMBYs quite frankly. Every time I see an MP playing for likes by opposing development it makes me so annoyed.
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Also, I know someone who works at hs2 and protestors will end up costing 200m+
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,685
fernandopartridge said:
It's run by the private sector, HS2 Ltd full of all the greatest from the private sector allegedly
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Funded by public sector, no controls on spend
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,686
CCFCSteve said:
Funded by public sector, no controls on spend
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Honestly Steve, what world do you live in?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,687
fernandopartridge said:
Honestly Steve, what world do you live in?
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It’s a public sector project. Of course private sector is going to deliver it as you can’t just employ tens of thousands of random people to deliver a massive project but there has been no control of spending from the top

‘High Speed Two (HS2) Limited is the company responsible for developing and promoting the UK's new high speed rail network. It is funded by grant-in-aid from the government. HS2 Ltd is an executive non-departmental public body, sponsored by the Department for Transport’

ps we also live in a country where everything is painfully slow to deliver
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,688
fernandopartridge said:
I'm of the mind that it just needs to be accepted that major infrastructure will cost a lot of money but that cost is also actually short and long term investment in the economy. If it is partially scrapped it really is pathetic.
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Agree with this. We’re in now so may as well suck up the extra cost and deliver it
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,689
fernandopartridge said:
Not really, it's government funded and they can pay for anything they want to in £
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Aren’t the government borrowing that money from the money market?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 27, 2023
  • #25,690
skybluetony176 said:
Aren’t the government borrowing that money from the money market?
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No, the government creates gilts to give institutions like pension funds long term safe investments (bonds), this is a choice it makes which has some merit. It does not need to borrow £ from anybody, it can create a £ at the strike of a key in the Bank of England.
 
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