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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 21, 2023
  • #25,551
Sky Blue Pete said:
He’s wrong
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1p on National Insurance would do the same thing, surely.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 21, 2023
  • #25,552
Sky Blue Pete said:
He’s wrong
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He's a wanker.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #25,553
Fucking hell, even by the incredibly low standards of this government this is shocking. Should lead to resignations but that doesn't seem to be a thing anymore

Revealed: scores of child asylum seekers kidnapped from Home Office hotel

Call for inquiry after Observer investigation uncovers scale of trafficking by criminal gangs
www.theguardian.com
It has also emerged that the Home Office was warned repeatedly by police that the vulnerable occupants of the hotel – asylum-seeking children who had recently arrived in the UK without parents or carers – would be targeted by criminal networks.
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duffer

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #25,554
Deleted member 5849 said:

Sajid Javid calls for patients to pay for GP and A&E visits

Radical reforms needed to tackle waiting times, says former health secretary
www.theguardian.com
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This has been the Tories' plan forever. Underfund the NHS until it's at breaking point and then present privatisation as the only alternative.

Who benefits? Themselves, their rich mates, and their corporate lobbyists and donors.

Who loses? Everyone else, but especially the poorest and most vulnerable.

You could pick almost any Conservative party policy and come to the same conclusion.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #25,555
duffer said:
This has been the Tories' plan forever. Underfund the NHS until it's at breaking point and then present privatisation as the only alternative.

Who benefits? Themselves, their rich mates, and their corporate lobbyists and donors.

Who loses? Everyone else, but especially the poorest and most vulnerable.

You could pick almost any Conservative party policy and come to the same conclusion.
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Look at what they've done in education as the blueprint. Turning schools into corporations with snazzy logos and meaningless slogans
 
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shepardo01

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #25,556
This goes off the current direction of this thread, but local MP, Nadim Zahawi in a spot of bother....
Weirdly, Carol Vorderman quoting Les Reid (who our own council have bullied over the Ricoh/Wasps fiasco)
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #25,557
duffer said:
This has been the Tories' plan forever. Underfund the NHS until it's at breaking point and then present privatisation as the only alternative.

Who benefits? Themselves, their rich mates, and their corporate lobbyists and donors.

Who loses? Everyone else, but especially the poorest and most vulnerable.

You could pick almost any Conservative party policy and come to the same conclusion.
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There’s a certain strain of eugenics in certain parts of upper class society and thus the Tories that I’m convinced has a part to play here. That and naked greed of course.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #25,558
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Look at what they've done in education as the blueprint. Turning schools into corporations with snazzy logos and meaningless slogans
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You mean adding four layers of management and a building that looks like a car showroom to each school doesn’t improve student outcomes!?
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #25,559
More Boris stories breaking out this morning.

 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #25,560
skybluetony176 said:
More Boris stories breaking out this morning.

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I can't help but wonder, (tin foil hat time but nothing is surprising with the tories),
if this current round of stories haven't been leaked to keep this one, which has had remarkably little coverage, out of the news?

ECHR asks Britain to respond to election interference legal claim

The European Court of Human Rights on Thursday requested a response from the British government to a legal claim brought by three lawmakers who accuse it of failing to properly investigate alleged Russian interference in elections.
www.reuters.com

Whether it's true or not Johnsons failure to investigate some of the claims in the Russia report was pretty wreckless.
I'm sure his close friendship with at least 2 oligarchs is just coincidence and had no baring on his decision.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #25,561
clint van damme said:
I can't help but wonder, (tin foil hat time but nothing is surprising with the tories),
if this current round of stories haven't been leaked to keep this one, which has had remarkably little coverage, out of the news?

ECHR asks Britain to respond to election interference legal claim

The European Court of Human Rights on Thursday requested a response from the British government to a legal claim brought by three lawmakers who accuse it of failing to properly investigate alleged Russian interference in elections.
www.reuters.com

Whether it's true or not Johnsons failure to investigate some of the claims in the Russia report was pretty wreckless.
I'm sure his close friendship with at least 2 oligarchs is just coincidence and had no baring on his decision.
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Could be that but also could be a counter to apparently Boris is still planning a comeback this year overthrowing Sunak.

Whatever happens it’s clearly going to be another messy year in government. Sunak clearly doesn’t have his party behind him, the country behind him or the ability to change that. We need a GE so bad.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #25,562
skybluetony176 said:
Could be that but also could be a counter to apparently Boris is still planning a comeback this year overthrowing Sunak.

Whatever happens it’s clearly going to be another messy year in government. Sunak clearly doesn’t have his party behind him, the country behind him or the ability to change that. We need a GE so bad.
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We won’t get one until they’re forced. So likely 2025. They’re trying to milk the country for all its worth before they get booted out for a generation it seems.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #25,563
skybluetony176 said:
Could be that but also could be a counter to apparently Boris is still planning a comeback this year overthrowing Sunak.

Whatever happens it’s clearly going to be another messy year in government. Sunak clearly doesn’t have his party behind him, the country behind him or the ability to change that. We need a GE so bad.
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They're so fractured now it's impossible for them to appoint anyone as leader who'd have the broad support of the party.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #25,564
chiefdave said:
Fucking hell, even by the incredibly low standards of this government this is shocking. Should lead to resignations but that doesn't seem to be a thing anymore

Revealed: scores of child asylum seekers kidnapped from Home Office hotel

Call for inquiry after Observer investigation uncovers scale of trafficking by criminal gangs
www.theguardian.com
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People just don’t give a shit do they. Probably their fault much like other children groomed on line or in the care system. We really don’t deserve good things as humans we are so shit at caring for the vulnerable
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #25,565
Sky Blue Pete said:
People just don’t give a shit do they. Probably their fault much like other children groomed on line or in the care system. We really don’t deserve good things as humans we are so shit at caring for the vulnerable
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Totally agree. This is truly appalling.
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #25,566
skybluetony176 said:
More Boris stories breaking out this morning.

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He jumped straight on the plane...
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #25,567
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #25,568
Skybluefaz said:
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Imagine if he'd won the leadership instead of Boris...

Yes, he's still a Tory and the ideology that goes with that but at least he seems to have a brain and some common sense.

Though saying that the Tory nutters would have got rid of him so quick it'd make Truss look like a multi-term PM
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #25,569
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Imagine if he'd won the leadership instead of Boris...

Yes, he's still a Tory and the ideology that goes with that but at least he seems to have a brain and some common sense.

Though saying that the Tory nutters would have got rid of him so quick it'd make Truss look like a multi-term PM
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Imagine the people who would never have been in the cabinet.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jan 22, 2023
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skybluetony176 said:
Imagine the people who would never have been in the cabinet.
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Imagine if we'd gone for the chaos under Ed Miliband.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #25,571
We're 23 days into the new year and we're on what, 3 scandals already?
The sooner we get rid of these jokers the better.
I'm no Starmer fan, but they're making almost impossible for me not to vote for him, it's essential that we get rid of them at the first opportunity.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #25,572
clint van damme said:
We're 23 days into the new year and we're on what, 3 scandals already?
The sooner we get rid of these jokers the better.
I'm no Starmer fan, but they're making almost impossible for me not to vote for him, it's essential that we get rid of them at the first opportunity.
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sadly the first thing they did when they got into power was scrap the mechanism for doing that. We’re stuck with them another two and a bit years.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #25,573
shmmeee said:
sadly the first thing they did when they got into power was scrap the mechanism for doing that. We’re stuck with them another two and a bit years.
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I think it’s pretty much maximum 2 years to the day. Might sound like I’m nitpicking but look at the damage they can do in “a bit”. We need to be grateful that it’s 2 years exactly and not 2 and a bit
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #25,574
And don’t forget. It’s all your fault

 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #25,575
skybluetony176 said:
I think it’s pretty much maximum 2 years to the day. Might sound like I’m nitpicking but look at the damage they can do in “a bit”. We need to be grateful that it’s 2 years exactly and not 2 and a bit
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Wasn’t sure how much of a bit. That’s actually cheered be up a (unspecified) bit.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #25,576
Top 10% of earners get all the money! Of course we pay all the tax FFS.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #25,577
skybluetony176 said:
And don’t forget. It’s all your fault

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Wasn't there a news item last week that the top 1% get two thirds of new wealth? Sounds to me like they're not paying their fair share. How much tax does Rothermere pay?

Also, if half of households need more in benefits than they are paying in tax doesn't that mean a lot of people's salaries don't even reach the threshold for the absolute minimum level of income required to survive? Although I'm sure they will have included pensioners which will massively skew the figures
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #25,578
chiefdave said:
Wasn't there a news item last week that the top 1% get two thirds of new wealth? Sounds to me like they're not paying their fair share. How much tax does Rothermere pay?

Also, if half of households need more in benefits than they are paying in tax doesn't that mean a lot of people's salaries don't even reach the threshold for the absolute minimum level of income required to survive? Although I'm sure they will have included pensioners which will massively skew the figures
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This was my response too.

I felt pretty sure that the top 10% of earners earn something like 60-70% of the money so what this story actually says is:

Rich people don't pay their fair share.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #25,579
chiefdave said:
Wasn't there a news item last week that the top 1% get two thirds of new wealth? Sounds to me like they're not paying their fair share. How much tax does Rothermere pay?

Also, if half of households need more in benefits than they are paying in tax doesn't that mean a lot of people's salaries don't even reach the threshold for the absolute minimum level of income required to survive? Although I'm sure they will have included pensioners which will massively skew the figures
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Was thinking the same, especially regarding pensioners.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #25,580
chiefdave said:
Wasn't there a news item last week that the top 1% get two thirds of new wealth? Sounds to me like they're not paying their fair share. How much tax does Rothermere pay?

Also, if half of households need more in benefits than they are paying in tax doesn't that mean a lot of people's salaries don't even reach the threshold for the absolute minimum level of income required to survive? Although I'm sure they will have included pensioners which will massively skew the figures
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It includes health and education spending. It’s a total fix. Oh Noes! My 7 year old is a leech on society!!
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #25,581
Looking at the report. It’s basically cost of living and coronavirus spending and that’s it.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #25,582
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
This was my response too.

I felt pretty sure that the top 10% of earners earn something like 60-70% of the money so what this story actually says is:

Rich people don't pay their fair share.
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With a slant of they pay far more
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #25,583
clint van damme said:
We're 23 days into the new year and we're on what, 3 scandals already?
The sooner we get rid of these jokers the better.
I'm no Starmer fan, but they're making almost impossible for me not to vote for him, it's essential that we get rid of them at the first opportunity.
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Sunaks surely got to get rid of zahawi, who if he had any integrity would’ve resigned already. Like all this things its as much the actions after the ‘crime’ as the crime itself. Heard he’s not the nicest of guys, this just reinforces that view.

Also, how Johnson still has he level of party support I’ll never know. WTF do people think would be different if he returned to power …the fact he had Zahawi as chancellor, albeit for a short period, says it all
 
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  • Jan 23, 2023
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CCFCSteve said:
Sunaks surely got to get rid of zahawi, who if he had any integrity would’ve resigned already. Like all this things its as much the actions after the ‘crime’ as the crime itself. Heard he’s not the nicest of guys, this just reinforces that view.

Also, how Johnson still has he level of party support I’ll never know. WTF do people think would be different if he returned to power …the fact he had Zahawi as chancellor, albeit for a short period, says it all
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He'll still get elected in Stratford, you watch!
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #25,585
Deleted member 5849 said:
He'll still get elected in Stratford, you watch!
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Never been anything but a Tory safe seat so unless he chooses not to stand he’ll be in the next parliament.
 
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