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skybluetony176

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #25,306
Am I confusing him with someone else or was it Brigden who sued his brother (and lost) over the family business after his parents died only to be described by the judge as a liar?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #25,307
skybluetony176 said:
Am I confusing him with someone else or was it Brigden who sued his brother (and lost) over the family business after his parents died only to be described by the judge as a liar?
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And he’s our mp ladies and gentlemen
 

Ian1779

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #25,308

c**t…
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #25,309
Fucking NASUWT members, of course he was a NASUWT member.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #25,310
Deleted member 9744 said:
It's shocking that someone can get to such a position of responsibility with such crazy views. In fact not just crazy but ridiculously offensive. These people are supposed to be running the country.
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Those six fingered morons in Leicestershire voted for him
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #25,311
shmmeee said:
Fucking NASUWT members, of course he was a NASUWT member.
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I’m deffo changing unions now.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #25,312
shmmeee said:
Fucking NASUWT members, of course he was a NASUWT member.
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They're a strange bunch. Even stranger when you say 'bless you' after they tell you what union they're in.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #25,313
Ian1779 said:

c**t…
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Does the ignorant c**t not realise that trade unionists actually contributed to the fall of communism in Poland?

That clown and his government behave more akin to the communist government of the USSR, the right to strike was banned there too.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #25,314
fernandopartridge said:
Does the ignorant c**t not realise that trade unionists actually contributed to the team of communism in Poland?

That clown and his government behave more akin to the communist government of the USSR, the right to strike was banned there too.
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Yes even that well known left winger Ronald Reagan defended the rights of workers to a free union and collective bargaining. Gullis apparently taught history, he should know
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #25,315
fernandopartridge said:
Those six fingered morons in Leicestershire voted for him
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For some reason, my Irish mum and dad moved there...they don't exactly fit in.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #25,316
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yes even that well known left winger Ronald Reagan defended the rights of workers to a free union and collective bargaining. Gullis apparently taught history, he should know
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Can’t believe anyone signed off his fucking QTS to be honest… must have been a bung.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #25,317
Ian1779 said:
Can’t believe anyone signed off his fucking QTS to be honest… must have been a bung.
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I have a good mind to contest his seat in the next election. With it being in January I could wish him a happy NEU Year despite his loss.
 
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dutchman

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  • Jan 12, 2023
  • #25,318
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yes even that well known left winger Ronald Reagan defended the rights of workers to a free union and collective bargaining.
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Hardly:

Ronald Reagan fires 11,359 air-traffic controllers | August 5, 1981 | HISTORY

On August 5, 1981, President Ronald Reagan begins firing 11,359 air-traffic controllers striking in violation of his ...
www.history.com
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jan 12, 2023
  • #25,319
So much for the once we leave others will follow argument.

Support for leaving EU has fallen significantly across bloc since Brexit

People less likely to vote leave in every EU member state for which data was available than in 2016-17, survey finds
www.theguardian.com
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 12, 2023
  • #25,320
skybluetony176 said:
So much for the once we leave others will follow argument.

Support for leaving EU has fallen significantly across bloc since Brexit

People less likely to vote leave in every EU member state for which data was available than in 2016-17, survey finds
www.theguardian.com
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jan 12, 2023
  • #25,321
skybluetony176 said:
So much for the once we leave others will follow argument.

Support for leaving EU has fallen significantly across bloc since Brexit

People less likely to vote leave in every EU member state for which data was available than in 2016-17, survey finds
www.theguardian.com
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Hardly surprising support for leaving has dropped when they're standing there watching the car crash unfold.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 12, 2023
  • #25,322
skybluetony176 said:
So much for the once we leave others will follow argument.

Support for leaving EU has fallen significantly across bloc since Brexit

People less likely to vote leave in every EU member state for which data was available than in 2016-17, survey finds
www.theguardian.com
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Farage will have forgotten he said it
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 13, 2023
  • #25,323
So...



I guess May's is for after dinner speaking, which begs the question how much an interesting person could earn! Wtf is Redwood doing up there? What abilities does he have? Equally, why is Jess Phillips one of only two Labour MPs in the list (I think Lammy's is for a radio show)?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 13, 2023
  • #25,324
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Hardly surprising support for leaving has dropped when they're standing there watching the car crash unfold.
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Yeah, the shitshow of the last couple of years has hardly been a ringing endorsement for leaving. Most EU countries benefitted from the joined up approach on covid (although some were held back as discussed previously) and with the ongoing war as well most will consider safety in numbers, especially those not in Nato

A lot of people on the continent still believe the EU is heading in the wrong direction and I don’t see a closer political union holding together long term, but then again I’ve thought certain things may have broken it to date but haven’t, so could be wrong
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 13, 2023
  • #25,325
Deleted member 5849 said:
So...



I guess May's is for after dinner speaking, which begs the question how much an interesting person could earn! Wtf is Redwood doing up there? What abilities does he have? Equally, why is Jess Phillips one of only two Labour MPs in the list (I think Lammy's is for a radio show)?
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I’ve never had an issue with second jobs as long as they don’t impact the ability for a MP to do their jobs and the employer isn’t expecting influence in exchange for salary. Many of those Tory salaries especially on the left of the list (May speaking aside) suggest otherwise. Geoffrey Cox (who I used to quite like) has been working abroad as a barrister by all accounts…how thats possible whilst supposedly serving your constituents I’ll never know

Yeah, Lammys on LBC.

ps who’s paying Grayling
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 13, 2023
  • #25,326
Deleted member 5849 said:
So...



I guess May's is for after dinner speaking, which begs the question how much an interesting person could earn! Wtf is Redwood doing up there? What abilities does he have? Equally, why is Jess Phillips one of only two Labour MPs in the list (I think Lammy's is for a radio show)?
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Her book?
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 13, 2023
  • #25,327
More to the point who is paying aNadine Dorries £180k for anything? Unless it’s Boris.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 13, 2023
  • #25,328
shmmeee said:
More to the point who is paying aNadine Dorries £180k for anything? Unless it’s Boris.
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That'll be her books, surely? Although it's not a bad income for an author of sub-par trash!
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jan 13, 2023
  • #25,329
Deleted member 5849 said:
So...



I guess May's is for after dinner speaking, which begs the question how much an interesting person could earn! Wtf is Redwood doing up there? What abilities does he have? Equally, why is Jess Phillips one of only two Labour MPs in the list (I think Lammy's is for a radio show)?
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Pretty sure I read somewhere Redwood gets paid a shitload by pro fossil fuel lobbyists for “consultancy” work.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jan 13, 2023
  • #25,330
Deleted member 5849 said:
That'll be her books, surely? Although it's not a bad income for an author of sub-par trash!
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Presumably they’re pure fantasy?
 

chiefdave

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  • Jan 13, 2023
  • #25,331
shmmeee said:
More to the point who is paying aNadine Dorries £180k for anything? Unless it’s Boris.
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Isn’t she on GB News or Talk TV? Sure I’ve seen clips on twitter of her being as good at presenting as you’d expect
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 13, 2023
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skybluetony176 said:
Pretty sure I read somewhere Redwood gets paid a shitload by pro fossil fuel lobbyists for “consultancy” work.
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Well I was nosy enough to find out - finance, it seems, although that near five hundred quid in royalties will come in handy

Tory MP for Wokingham spent 50 hours a month in second job earning thousands

Wokingham MP Sir John Redwood earns the third highest income from outside his parliamentary job of any MP in 2021.
www.bracknellnews.co.uk
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 13, 2023
  • #25,333
Deleted member 5849 said:
So...



I guess May's is for after dinner speaking, which begs the question how much an interesting person could earn! Wtf is Redwood doing up there? What abilities does he have? Equally, why is Jess Phillips one of only two Labour MPs in the list (I think Lammy's is for a radio show)?
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As others have said a good chunk of Phillips' was her book at 65k.

Plus HIGNFY appearance fees.
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 13, 2023
  • #25,334
chiefdave said:
Isn’t she on GB News or Talk TV? Sure I’ve seen clips on twitter of her being as good at presenting as you’d expect
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She writes books - she’s done 5 apparently
 

duffer

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  • Jan 13, 2023
  • #25,335
CCFCSteve said:
I’ve never had an issue with second jobs as long as they don’t impact the ability for a MP to do their jobs and the employer isn’t expecting influence in exchange for salary. Many of those Tory salaries especially on the left of the list (May speaking aside) suggest otherwise. Geoffrey Cox (who I used to quite like) has been working abroad as a barrister by all accounts…how thats possible whilst supposedly serving your constituents I’ll never know

Yeah, Lammys on LBC.

ps who’s paying Grayling
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How can it not impact your job, seriously?

Being an MP is arguably the most important role in the country. You're representing tens of thousands of constituents and providing leadership and governance for the entire country.

If you've got time for a second job then you're not taking it seriously enough.

There are also absolutely obvious questions about undue influence either directly from your employer or the general area that provides you with another income (e.g. finance, energy, media).

Politely, I think we disagree on this one mate.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 13, 2023
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duffer said:
How can it not impact your job, seriously?

Being an MP is arguably the most important role in the country. You're representing tens of thousands of constituents and providing leadership and governance for the entire country.

If you've got time for a second job then you're not taking it seriously enough.

There are also absolutely obvious questions about undue influence either directly from your employer or the general area that provides you with another income (e.g. finance, energy, media).

Politely, I think we disagree on this one mate.
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tbf some of them (the book writers!) can probably do that in their spare time. Ditto, a radio or TV show is arguably getting your message out to more of the people, and increases engagement, so is arguably helpful for an MP, with the attendant risk it also pops you into a bubble.

Senior roles in financial institutions less so, however...
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 13, 2023
  • #25,337
How do thick as fuck people get into the position of making over £100k with a side hustle?

Asking for a friend (me).
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 13, 2023
  • #25,338
duffer said:
How can it not impact your job, seriously?

Being an MP is arguably the most important role in the country. You're representing tens of thousands of constituents and providing leadership and governance for the entire country.

If you've got time for a second job then you're not taking it seriously enough.

There are also absolutely obvious questions about undue influence either directly from your employer or the general area that provides you with another income (e.g. finance, energy, media).

Politely, I think we disagree on this one mate.
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Although I agree it sort of suggests that the reason Redwood is such an awful MP is because he’s distracted. Then again I guess the reason he’s such an awful MP is because he doesn’t take it seriously enough to treat it as a full time job. Freeloader.

There is an argument for giving MP’s a huge pay rise on the basis of no secondary incomes. Don’t have a problem with them writing books in their spare time (although apparently Boris was largely awol, public appearances aside, for his first few months as PM as he had a deadline to write a book or he’d have to return his advance.) and you have to wonder how many would want to be MP’s in the first place. There’s also the question of how valuable some MP’s would be as “consultants” if they wasn’t an MP in the first place. How many of them only get these second jobs purely on the basis of them being MP’s?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jan 13, 2023
  • #25,339
Deleted member 5849 said:
Well I was nosy enough to find out - finance, it seems, although that near five hundred quid in royalties will come in handy

Tory MP for Wokingham spent 50 hours a month in second job earning thousands

Wokingham MP Sir John Redwood earns the third highest income from outside his parliamentary job of any MP in 2021.
www.bracknellnews.co.uk
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Must have been a different freeloader. It was one pro fossil fuel /anti renewable Tory MP backbencher getting a “consultancy” fee from some oil company. Mind you, climate change denying Tory backbencher doesn’t really narrow it down as to who it was. A case of take your pick.
 

duffer

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  • Jan 13, 2023
  • #25,340
Nick said:
How do thick as fuck people get into the position of making over £100k with a side hustle?

Asking for a friend (me).
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Doddle mate, just get one of your old school friends or alumni to get you a job where you can directly influence the award of Government contracts and have a say over planning law or regulatory requirements.

Easy if you went to the right school (and have the required moral flexibility).

You're just a victim of your own poor life choices my friend, you should have chosen to be born to a wealthy family and gone to Eton - then you could be coining it in right now without any real need for either talent or hard work.
 
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