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David O'Day

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  • Jan 3, 2023
  • #25,026
Skybluefaz said:
Ah, so we'll see the cap come down at some point then?
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no chance
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 3, 2023
  • #25,027
CCFCSteve said:
Life’s hard enough without worrying about a load of ifs, buts and maybes that I’ve currently got no control over
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I’m chasing postal ballot returns for people who have to vote this way for strike action when nobody else is forced to do a postal vote. Got to make sure we hit a 50% threshold that is also part of the law on this.

You’re right we can’t control what laws the government passes but they affect everyone and are worth getting frustrated by if they have a detrimental effect on us.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 3, 2023
  • #25,028
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I’m chasing postal ballot returns for people who have to vote this way for strike action when nobody else is forced to do a postal vote. Got to make sure we hit a 50% threshold that is also part of the law on this.

You’re right we can’t control what laws the government passes but they affect everyone and are worth getting frustrated by if they have a detrimental effect on us.
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We managed about 46-47% in ours. Trying again later this month
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 3, 2023
  • #25,029
Sky Blue Pete said:
We managed about 46-47% in ours. Trying again later this month
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Think we might creep over the line in this one but it’s going to be tight. If councillors had to have a 50% turnout we wouldn’t have any
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 3, 2023
  • #25,030
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Think we might creep over the line in this one but it’s going to be tight. If councillors had to have a 50% turnout we wouldn’t have any
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All the best!
 
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wingy

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  • Jan 3, 2023
  • #25,031
Skybluefaz said:
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Same with gas been competitive on the markets for a couple of months now and finally below pre war levels.
 

dutchman

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  • Jan 3, 2023
  • #25,032
Skybluefaz said:
Ah, so we'll see the cap come down at some point then?
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Yes but not to the level they were before:

Why are wholesale gas prices falling and will it cut UK bills?

Falls could lower cost of government subsidies and reduce risk of power cuts this winter
www.theguardian.com
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 3, 2023
  • #25,033
dutchman said:
Yes but not to the level they were before:

Why are wholesale gas prices falling and will it cut UK bills?

Falls could lower cost of government subsidies and reduce risk of power cuts this winter
www.theguardian.com
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Yeah, that’s the gas price side of things is complex…and volatile. As the article says we need sustained low wholesale prices to start helping us as consumers

Oil on the other hand is more stable and the petrol stations have taken the piss for far too long. I said a while back the government should’ve stepped in. Looking at some of the inflated prices I get the impression BP and Shell are profiteering to make up for the windfall tax they might have to pay elsewhere.

‘The levy applies to profits made from extracting UK oil and gas, but not from other activities such as refining oil and selling petrol and diesel on forecourts’

This is where the government should’ve been far cuter than just using the blunt instrument of a windfall tax (on its own) and pressured shell and BP to get petrol and diesel prices down as soon as oil prices dropped, which would in turn, helped reduce inflation as other petrol stations/suppliers would’ve had to follow suit.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 3, 2023
  • #25,034
CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, that’s the gas price side of things is complex…and volatile. As the article says we need sustained low wholesale prices to start helping us as consumers

Oil on the other hand is more stable and the petrol stations have taken the piss for far too long. I said a while back the government should’ve stepped in. Looking at some of the inflated prices I get the impression BP and Shell are profiteering to make up for the windfall tax they might have to pay elsewhere.

‘The levy applies to profits made from extracting UK oil and gas, but not from other activities such as refining oil and selling petrol and diesel on forecourts’

This is where the government should’ve been far cuter than just using the blunt instrument of a windfall tax (on its own) and pressured shell and BP to get petrol and diesel prices down as soon as oil prices dropped, which would in turn, helped reduce inflation as other petrol stations/suppliers would’ve had to follow suit.
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The government will be stepping in in a few months when they put fuel duty up. They're not bothered about any hardship endured by the ordinary working man.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 3, 2023
  • #25,035
clint van damme said:
The government will be stepping in in a few months when they put fuel duty up. They're not bothered about any hardship endured by the ordinary working man.
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I know that’s the plan but I just can’t see how they’ll be able to do that unless prices reduce at the pump first. I wouldnt be surprised if it was postponed but we’ll see
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jan 3, 2023
  • #25,036
CCFCSteve said:
I know that’s the plan but I just can’t see how they’ll be able to do that unless prices reduce at the pump first. I wouldnt be surprised if it was postponed but we’ll see
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They could always scrap it and issue another windfall tax on the companies profiteering from it instead.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 3, 2023
  • #25,037
Shocked that the BLM fundraiser from London is in court for fraud.

Accused of not passing money on from go fund me.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 3, 2023
  • #25,038
Nick said:
Shocked that the BLM fundraiser from London is in court for fraud.

Accused of not passing money on from go fund me.
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How much did they pocket?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jan 4, 2023
  • #25,039
In other news. A disaster response company to deal with brexit benefits at a cost to the taxpayers of £200K a year.

Disaster response charity enlisted to aid drivers stuck in UK queues for Channel

Exclusive: military veterans’ group RE:ACT gets £200,000 yearly contract to ensure welfare of lorry drivers gridlocked in Kent
www.theguardian.com
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 4, 2023
  • #25,040
Nick said:
Shocked that the BLM fundraiser from London is in court for fraud.

Accused of not passing money on from go fund me.
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Never contribute to a GFM unless you know the people personally, absolute scammers dream that website.

Also, don’t mean to be a dick, but surely you wear sunglasses underneath your niqab not over the top? Won’t they fall off if they’re not on your ears?

 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 4, 2023
  • #25,041
skybluetony176 said:
They could always scrap it and issue another welfare tax on the companies profiteering from it instead.
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Thats what I’m kind of suggesting. I can’t see that they can go ahead with the proposed increase in fuel duty without forecourt prices reducing. They should put pressure on BP and Shell to reduce profit per litre back to pre end of pandemic with the threat of another windfall tax. If they reduce prices that will have far wider benefits than another windfall tax. If they don’t fall in line then another windfall tax it is inc supermarkets etc
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 4, 2023
  • #25,042
They’re really not very bright are they… ‍

 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 4, 2023
  • #25,043
Bit of good news. 87% electricity produced from zero carbon sources on a day recently…albeit a windy one !

Windy weather pushes UK past zero-carbon electricity generation record – edie

www.edie.net
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 4, 2023
  • #25,044
CCFCSteve said:
Thats what I’m kind of suggesting. I can’t see that they can go ahead with the proposed increase in fuel duty without forecourt prices reducing. They should put pressure on BP and Shell to reduce profit per litre back to pre end of pandemic with the threat of another windfall tax. If they reduce prices that will have far wider benefits than another windfall tax. If they don’t fall in line then another windfall tax it is inc supermarkets etc
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The problem is that the slight upturn later in the year predicted by the OBS is based on that as a significant driver.
We get quarterly updates regarding the economic outlook from our CEO and they're normally pretty accurate and the last one predicted improvement in the 2nd half of the year but I think he's got it wrong this time, hopefully I'm wrong, as I say, they normally accurate
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jan 4, 2023
  • #25,045
CCFCSteve said:
Bit of good news. 87% electricity produced from zero carbon sources on a day recently…albeit a windy one !

Windy weather pushes UK past zero-carbon electricity generation record – edie

www.edie.net
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Trouble is the price cap isn’t fit for purpose as it’s based on the most expensive form of generation (gas) not the cheapest (renewables) so it isn’t going to bring down energy prices anytime soon. Makes you wonder why people are so anti renewables and pro fossil fuel though. There literally isn’t a logical reason to not phase out fossil fuel generation in favour of renewables, even if you’re a climate change denier.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 4, 2023
  • #25,046
skybluetony176 said:
Trouble is the price cap isn’t fit for purpose as it’s based on the most expensive form of generation (gas) not the cheapest (renewables) so it isn’t going to bring down energy prices anytime soon. Makes you wonder why people are so anti renewables and pro fossil fuel though. There literally isn’t a logical reason to not phase out fossil fuel generation in favour of renewables, even if you’re a climate change denier.
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It’s not the price cap so much as how we (and the presume other countries) calculate the cost of electricity. Something like the highest price of generation as you indicate. This is crazy and needs amending. Pretty sure old Kwasi was looking into this before he tried to tank the economy
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jan 4, 2023
  • #25,047
CCFCSteve said:
It’s not the price cap so much as how we (and the presume other countries) calculate the cost of electricity. Something like the highest price of generation as you indicate. This is crazy and needs amending. Pretty sure old Kwasi was looking into this before he tried to tank the economy
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Read something the other week that on average European countries are paying 45% more for electricity than prior to the war in Ukraine and everything that’s gone with that. Italy was the highest at around 75%, France was the lowest at around 5%. We’re apparently around 250%. Based on that other countries are clearly doing something different to us and they were supposed to be more vulnerable than us (France aside) as we’re largely leading the way in wind (offshore especially) and were less reliant on imports from Russia. Something doesn’t add up on all this. Unless you’re in the fossil fuel business or have shares in a fossil fuel business.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jan 4, 2023
  • #25,048
skybluetony176 said:
Something doesn’t add up on all this
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this is the issue really, what we're told seems to change. When prices here shot up more than elsewhere we were told it was because we had little gas storage and were therefore a change in price impacted us more than other countries

now the price has gone down we're being told that isn't being passed on to the consumer as the gas we use was purchased at the higher price
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 4, 2023
  • #25,049
skybluetony176 said:
Read something the other week that on average European countries are paying 45% more for electricity than prior to the war in Ukraine and everything that’s gone with that. Italy was the highest at around 75%, France was the lowest at around 5%. We’re apparently around 250%. Based on that other countries are clearly doing something different to us and they were supposed to be more vulnerable than us (France aside) as we’re largely leading the way in wind (offshore especially) and were less reliant on imports from Russia. Something doesn’t add up on all this. Unless you’re in the fossil fuel business or have shares in a fossil fuel business.
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I’ve not seen the percentage increases elsewhere but France is predominantly reliant on nuclear (which they own) and Germany use a lot of dirty coal. unfortunately our drive towards gas has maybe fucked us as we rely on this more than others. When the winds not blowing we also use gas to produce a lot of our electricity I think. Basically I think we’ve been left more exposed to the external markets.

This weird calculation of electricity cost is definitely not helping though
 
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wingy

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  • Jan 4, 2023
  • #25,050
BTW has the CAP just nudged up to £3000, fear not though you won't feel anything.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 4, 2023
  • #25,051
Further maths should sort it
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jan 4, 2023
  • #25,052
Sky Blue Pete said:
Further maths should sort it
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just as well there's not a shortage of maths teachers ...
 
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Frostie

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  • Jan 4, 2023
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stupot07

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  • Jan 4, 2023
  • #25,054
Rishi with his finger on the pulse.

Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 4, 2023
  • #25,055
Actually agree we should improve maths education and it should be to 18 like most countries. However like so much Tory policy in recent years this is nothing more than a headline with no substance behind it, no plan, no funding.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 4, 2023
  • #25,056
shmmeee said:
Actually agree we should improve maths education and it should be to 18 like most countries. However like so much Tory policy in recent years this is nothing more than a headline with no substance behind it, no plan, no funding.
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Just like slashing inflation. They've been saying for months it's down to global factors, but now they're going to half it.

It's just vacuous bollocks.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 4, 2023
  • #25,057
clint van damme said:
Just like slashing inflation. They've been saying for months it's down to global factors, but now they're going to half it.

It's just vacuous bollocks.
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They could take 4% off by rejoining the single market
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jan 4, 2023
  • #25,058
clint van damme said:
Just like slashing inflation. They've been saying for months it's down to global factors, but now they're going to half it.

It's just vacuous bollocks.
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bit of a coincide they announce they're going to halve it shortly after forecasts show its expected to fall by half this year
 
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wingy

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  • Jan 4, 2023
  • #25,059
shmmeee said:
Actually agree we should improve maths education and it should be to 18 like most countries. However like so much Tory policy in recent years this is nothing more than a headline with no substance behind it, no plan, no funding.
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Just a load of PR with all media playing along , for a bloke who hasn't been elected ,who's going to steal around £4-5K from workers/families over the next four years after them already taking something equivalent this year and part of last.
With the prospect of working into your seventies.
How blind and passive are folk.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 4, 2023
  • #25,060
chiefdave said:
bit of a coincide they announce they're going to halve it shortly after forecasts show its expected to fall by half this year
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Exactly.
And they would never do the things actually within their capacity to reduce it because that would mean stopping the wealth transfer to their rich pals - wankers.
 
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