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Deleted member 9744

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  • Dec 16, 2022
  • #24,781
Deleted member 5849 said:
I never thought I'd find myself defending Rees-Mogg(!) but he was defending the government's position on specifics, namely focussing on an Australia deal, and taxation causing issues rather than Brexit. Now, he studiously avoided the issues with trading with the EU and its complexities, but his answer was nothing I wouldn't expect a politician to do - focus on the things that make it look better.
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That's not a reason to defend him. It was a deflection and disingenuous as he was trying to debunk the central point that the audience member was making by referring to a much smaller issue. This goes to the route of our problems ever since the Brexit debate which is the fundamental lack of honesty in political debate.
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 16, 2022
  • #24,782
Deleted member 5849 said:
I never thought I'd find myself defending Rees-Mogg(!) but he was defending the government's position on specifics, namely focussing on an Australia deal, and taxation causing issues rather than Brexit. Now, he studiously avoided the issues with trading with the EU and its complexities, but his answer was nothing I wouldn't expect a politician to do - focus on the things that make it look better.
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The argument that trade becoming more complicated with Europe is fine because we can make up for it by trading with Australia and New Zealand instead isn’t going to hold up for long, I fear.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 16, 2022
  • #24,783
SBT said:
The argument that trade becoming more complicated with Europe is fine because we can make up for it by trading with Australia and New Zealand instead isn’t going to hold up for long, I fear.
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It won't, and by defending his rhetorical position, I'm not defending Brexit.

But...

That's what politicians do, and have done for long before Brexit on both sides of the political divide - defend their position by pointing out what they've done as a positive. In this case, the Australia deal is being mooted as a positive, and the scale of duty on alcohol is being positioned as a taxation issue rather than a Brexit red tape issue. At no point does he say that importing from the EU is indeed easier post Brexit... and nor would anybody expect him to.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Dec 16, 2022
  • #24,784
Deleted member 5849 said:
I never thought I'd find myself defending Rees-Mogg(!) but he was defending the government's position on specifics, namely focussing on an Australia deal, and taxation causing issues rather than Brexit. Now, he studiously avoided the issues with trading with the EU and its complexities, but his answer was nothing I wouldn't expect a politician to do - focus on the things that make it look better.
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So he's still a disingenuous c***.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 16, 2022
  • #24,785
That wanker Wes Streeting speaking at Policy Exchange, what an odious little c**t he is

How the fuck does he know this:

He told the event: “We do have a culture in the NHS where I think too often patients aren’t listened to.
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Grendel

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  • Dec 16, 2022
  • #24,786
fernandopartridge said:
That wanker Wes Streeting speaking at Policy Exchange, what an odious little c**t he is

How the fuck does he know this:
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Rated by some labour fans on here. Well one anyway

Do you want to discuss boring politics?

it’s hardly the first time someone shagging someone else has then given them a job is it really
www.skybluestalk.co.uk
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 16, 2022
  • #24,787
Grendel said:
Rated by some labour fans on here. Well one anyway

Do you want to discuss boring politics?

it’s hardly the first time someone shagging someone else has then given them a job is it really
www.skybluestalk.co.uk
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Here he is.

Shall we start dragging up all the names of people you rate?

I have since changed my mind on Streeting now I've learned more about him.
 
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JAM See

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  • Dec 16, 2022
  • #24,788

Amazon workers vote to strike at Coventry depot in UK first

GMB union hails major victory as staff back stoppages over their demand for a pay rise to £15 an hour
www.theguardian.com

Good luck to 'em.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 16, 2022
  • #24,789
JAM See said:

Amazon workers vote to strike at Coventry depot in UK first

GMB union hails major victory as staff back stoppages over their demand for a pay rise to £15 an hour
www.theguardian.com

Good luck to 'em.
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Fair play to them, it’s a detestable company.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Dec 16, 2022
  • #24,790
I see Rolls Royce have given factory workers a 10% pay rise and a £2K bonus. It can be done
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Dec 18, 2022
  • #24,791
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 18, 2022
  • #24,792
skybluetony176 said:
I see Rolls Royce have given factory workers a 10% pay rise and a £2K bonus. It can be done
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Sad to see Rolls Royce close
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Dec 18, 2022
  • #24,793
skybluetony176 said:
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And an exclusive that Meghan Markle contributed to the death of the Queen. I’d imagine Andrew’s antics were far more stressful for her - what a fucking rag.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Dec 18, 2022
  • #24,794
skybluetony176 said:
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Bloomberg has been talking about this, this week.

That's the one.

 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Dec 18, 2022
  • #24,795
skybluetony176 said:
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Rees Moggs just a waste of space. Even if it was a one in ten chance of a cold snap, there’s still a one in ten chance to prepare for Also I’d have thought the pressure was immediate ie we’ve had the coldest period and it’s due to get a bit milder next week so struggling to see where the black outs are coming from…it’s not like it’s due to depleted storage as we don’t have any !

Im guessing there’s a likelihood of the smart meter control (paying people to to stop/minimise usage) between 5 and 7pm if things are stretched. Not sure why they haven’t just asked everyone to do 18c max between those hours and not to use certain high energy appliances. Feels like a typical MoS panic ranty headline…hope so anyway
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 18, 2022
  • #24,796
Sick Boy said:
And an exclusive that Meghan Markle contributed to the death of the Queen. I’d imagine Andrew’s antics were far more stressful for her - what a fucking rag.
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You seem well versed in its content - do you subscribe
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 19, 2022
  • #24,797
The country would be a much better place if the Mail ceased to exist. Such a divisive, hate-filled, rag adored by so many.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 19, 2022
  • #24,798
CCFCSteve said:
Rees Moggs just a waste of space. Even if it was a one in ten chance of a cold snap, there’s still a one in ten chance to prepare for Also I’d have thought the pressure was immediate ie we’ve had the coldest period and it’s due to get a bit milder next week so struggling to see where the black outs are coming from…it’s not like it’s due to depleted storage as we don’t have any !

Im guessing there’s a likelihood of the smart meter control (paying people to to stop/minimise usage) between 5 and 7pm if things are stretched. Not sure why they haven’t just asked everyone to do 18c max between those hours and not to use certain high energy appliances. Feels like a typical MoS panic ranty headline…hope so anyway
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I did wonder who/what we would blame after we couldn’t blame the EU. So far I make it

Megan Markle
Crazy Commie Corbyn
Beer Korma
Weather forecasters
People getting smuggled across the Channel
Militant rail workers
Militant nurses
Militant posties
The Queen’s death
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 19, 2022
  • #24,799
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I did wonder who/what we would blame after we couldn’t blame the EU. So far I make it

Megan Markle
Crazy Commie Corbyn
Beer Korma
Weather forecasters
People getting smuggled across the Channel
Militant rail workers
Militant nurses
Militant posties
The Queen’s death
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It’s only because they want credit for low unemployment we haven’t had the unemployed.

Next up single mums and teenagers?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 19, 2022
  • #24,800
shmmeee said:
It’s only because they want credit for low unemployment we haven’t had the unemployed.

Next up single mums and teenagers?
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I was thinking negative loony left media constantly downplaying the nation’s prospects
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 19, 2022
  • #24,801
It's about time the Tories were given a fair crack of the whip at governing the country with such talent waiting in the backbenches


 
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chiefdave

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  • Dec 19, 2022
  • #24,802
PVA said:
It's about time the Tories were given a fair crack of the whip at governing the country with such talent waiting in the backbenches

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The most worrying thing about this is that you've got an MP who thinks when people talk of a lack of beds in the NHS they mean there's physically not beds

The reality is there's hospitals with wards full of beds closed because they don't have the staff and / or funding to keep them in use
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Dec 19, 2022
  • #24,803
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I did wonder who/what we would blame after we couldn’t blame the EU. So far I make it

Megan Markle
Crazy Commie Corbyn
Beer Korma
Weather forecasters
People getting smuggled across the Channel
Militant rail workers
Militant nurses
Militant posties
The Queen’s death
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We’re still blaming the EU, not least for the excellent oven ready, just pop it in the microwave deal that Boris did. Not Boris’ fault, the EU forced us to sign it despite us holding all the cards.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Dec 19, 2022
  • #24,804
It’s cancel culture gone mad

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 19, 2022
  • #24,805
skybluetony176 said:
We’re still blaming the EU, not least for the excellent oven ready, just pop it in the microwave deal that Boris did. Not Boris’ fault, the EU forced us to sign it despite us holding all the cards.
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I found it very interesting to hear on Question Time that ‘none of the politicians want to blame Brexit’. Well in the case of the Tories it’s their pet project but Labour are too scared of losing seats to come out and say what even Tory voters are starting to accept.
 

Ian1779

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  • Dec 19, 2022
  • #24,806
PVA said:
It's about time the Tories were given a fair crack of the whip at governing the country with such talent waiting in the backbenches


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I see you and raise you….

 
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skybluetony176

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  • Dec 19, 2022
  • #24,807
Ian1779 said:
I see you and raise you….

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Surely there’s a case to give nurses a significant pay rise just to attract them back into the NHS from agencies getting rid of the dependency on agency nurses. £3B a year the NHS is having to spend on agency nurses. That needs factoring into the cost of nurses pay rises.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Dec 19, 2022
  • #24,808
skybluetony176 said:
Surely there’s a case to give nurses a significant pay rise just to attract them back into the NHS from agencies getting rid of the dependency on agency nurses. £3B a year the NHS is having to spend on agency nurses. That needs factoring into the cost of nurses pay rises.
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I don’t know what the rate of mark up is in nursing, but I know for supply teachers it’s an average of 45% of the daily rate, which is an absolutely outrageous amount.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 19, 2022
  • #24,809
Ian1779 said:
I don’t know what the rate of mark up is in nursing, but I know for supply teachers it’s an average of 45% of the daily rate, which is an absolutely outrageous amount.
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Think schools even struggle to find those now. Like in the health service it’s what happens when you neglect something for so long.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Dec 19, 2022
  • #24,810
Ian1779 said:
I don’t know what the rate of mark up is in nursing, but I know for supply teachers it’s an average of 45% of the daily rate, which is an absolutely outrageous amount.
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I bet a dive into who's on the board of these agencies would throw up a few interesting names
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 19, 2022
  • #24,811
skybluetony176 said:
It’s cancel culture gone mad

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I don't disagree with what Neville was saying, but he's going over the top there in the wrong forum.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 19, 2022
  • #24,812
SBT said:
I don't disagree with what Neville was saying, but he's going over the top there in the wrong forum.
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Someone has to speak up, though; so much of the news is dominated by right-wing tabloids pushing the agendas of a privileged select few.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 19, 2022
  • #24,813
skybluetony176 said:
It’s cancel culture gone mad

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He should probably wind his neck in, on current polling Neville would smash him if he stood.

Page redirection
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 19, 2022
  • #24,814
clint van damme said:
I bet a dive into who's on the board of these agencies would throw up a few interesting names
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Easy money. I’ve often thought about setting up a supply agency app. Money for old rope.

Why there’s not a publicly run pool I’ve no idea.
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 19, 2022
  • #24,815
Sick Boy said:
Someone has to speak up, though; so much of the news is dominated by right-wing tabloids pushing the agendas of a privileged select few.
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There are some issues that undoubtedly should be raised in an otherwise unrelated TV broadcast - either ones that affect us all (racism) or are specific to the setting (Qatari human rights abuses). I'm not sure an industrial dispute between one particular sector and today's British government rises to that standard. Speaking out is important, and it's not like I think there should be hard and fast rules about it, but I don't want to give carte blanche to any old presenter to get on their soapbox in any setting. Roy Keane piping up next and urging Rishi to smash the unions wouldn't have been appropriate either.
 
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