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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 6, 2022
  • #24,431
Deleted member 5849 said:
On a side note, Kevin Maton alone could turn me Tory(!)
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Least you put Tory at the end
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 6, 2022
  • #24,432
Deleted member 5849 said:
On a side note, Kevin Maton alone could turn me Tory(!)
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All got a bit catty hasn’t it? I actually thought Mattie Heaven would have something about her but looked useless as well. Caan could barely string a sentence together, Ridley just playing politics for likes, O’Boyle useless as well. The woman on about Spon End traffic seemed vaguely together but that was about it.

This is why we need to make councils actually worth something so someone vaguely competent tries to get elected. Half of them seem more interested in playing babies first House of Commons than actually governing or opposing TBH.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 6, 2022
  • #24,433
shmmeee said:
He does. And I’d want a full range of opinions rather than just politicians which is all you’d get from an elected chamber. Is much rather take a few major industries, state sectors, charities and the like. I don’t think it’s insurmountable.
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But at the same time if it's involved with law making should the electorate not have some sort of say over who is elected to it?

I agree that having a house filled with politicians is hardly a great idea, but at the same time it needs to be accountable to the public.

So what sort of halfway house could we have? Would a list of experts be proposed by the ruling bodies of professions and then the parties choose from those lists depending on the PV of the national vote? Although that sounds a bit like the US Supreme Court which is now fucked due to political ideology, though also highlights perfectly how experts aren't necessarily the solution.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 6, 2022
  • #24,434
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But at the same time if it's involved with law making should the electorate not have some sort of say over who is elected to it?

I agree that having a house filled with politicians is hardly a great idea, but at the same time it needs to be accountable to the public.

So what sort of halfway house could we have? Would a list of experts be proposed by the ruling bodies of professions and then the parties choose from those lists depending on the PV of the national vote? Although that sounds a bit like the US Supreme Court which is now fucked due to political ideology, though also highlights perfectly how experts aren't necessarily the solution.
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Well if it’s professional bodies and unions they would.

And no I wouldn’t have the parties involved at all. As I say either fix the Lords for its intended purpose or throw it out.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Dec 7, 2022
  • #24,435
 

1nilandwe...

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  • Dec 7, 2022
  • #24,436
skybluetony176 said:
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Part of the problem is that we aren't shocked any more. Is there anyone left out there who is surprised at this shit?
It is simply factored in to the general climate around this current government.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 7, 2022
  • #24,437
Amazing all the PPE was pushed on us and was a money maker for individuals.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2022
  • #24,438
Starmer still refusing to criticise the fresh anti union legislation that is coming our way. Really makes voting for him a chore
 
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clint van damme

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  • Dec 7, 2022
  • #24,439
skybluetony176 said:
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She should go to jail but she hasn't committed a few grands worth of benefit fraud soshe should be ok.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 7, 2022
  • #24,440
clint van damme said:
She should go to jail but she hasn't committed a few grands worth of benefit fraud soshe should be ok.
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Wish all of the cunts would be investigated.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2022
  • #24,441
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Starmer still refusing to criticise the fresh anti union legislation that is coming our way. Really makes voting for him a chore
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Tories desperately want to paint him as continuity Corbyn, he’s going to be very cool on pro union stuff and pro nationalisation and we’re just going to have to lump it. Said this when Corbyn lost the GE, he tainted so much that there was always going to be an overcorrection.

Ultimately all you can do in opposition is position yourself unless there’s a big rift in the government benches.

Expect tough on crime, sensible finances, pro business to be the main thrusts until the GE. That doesn’t change who the MPs are and what they’ll vote for though. Just as Cameron’s hug a hoodie and love of polar bears didn’t mean anything. It’s just the cost of getting elected.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 7, 2022
  • #24,442
shmmeee said:
Tories desperately want to paint him as continuity Corbyn, he’s going to be very cool on pro union stuff and pro nationalisation and we’re just going to have to lump it. Said this when Corbyn lost the GE, he tainted so much that there was always going to be an overcorrection.

Ultimately all you can do in opposition is position yourself unless there’s a big rift in the government benches.

Expect tough on crime, sensible finances, pro business to be the main thrusts until the GE. That doesn’t change who the MPs are and what they’ll vote for though. Just as Cameron’s hug a hoodie and love of polar bears didn’t mean anything. It’s just the cost of getting elected.
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His main criticism of the new anti union laws was that they won’t stop the current strikes. Not that we already have the harshest anti union laws in the West and adding even more is a blatant attack on working people’s rights.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Dec 7, 2022
  • #24,443
See Farages mates have attempted a coup in Germany.
That's 2 democracies his mates have attempted to overthrow.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 7, 2022
  • #24,444
clint van damme said:
See Farages mates have attempted a coup in Germany.
That's 2 democracies his mates have attempted to overthrow.
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Proper nutters. Apparently printing their own drivers licences and passports.

What is it about mental conspiracies that once you get one you go for the full set?
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 7, 2022
  • #24,445
shmmeee said:
Proper nutters. Apparently printing their own drivers licences and passports.

What is it about mental conspiracies that once you get one you go for the full set?
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Were the passports blue?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2022
  • #24,446
Why the fuck are we approving new coal mines?
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 7, 2022
  • #24,447
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Why the fuck are we approving new coal mines?
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Because its a lot easier than approving wind farms.
How fucked up is that?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Dec 7, 2022
  • #24,448
clint van damme said:
Were the passports blue?
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Red. With a white circle in the middle and a black ancient symbol in that.
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2022
  • #24,449
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Why the fuck are we approving new coal mines?
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This guy heard it was a revolutionary new source of power
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2022
  • #24,450
clint van damme said:
Because its a lot easier than approving wind farms.
How fucked up is that?
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Will get a good chunk of northern votes perhaps
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2022
  • #24,451
What's with the doomsday here?

$80trillion financial crash to 'Wipe out every dollar in the world'

The world faces a staggering financial meltdown with potential losses exceeding the total number of US dollars in circulation.
www.express.co.uk
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2022
  • #24,452
I see border force staff are striking now. What was it Sunak was accusing Labour of being the party off?
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2022
  • #24,453
skybluetony176 said:
I see border force staff are striking now. What was it Sunak was accusing Labour of being the party off?
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The striker v public narrative he keeps pushing makes me laugh.
Rail workers, train drivers, nurses, firemen, postmen, border staff, these are the public you fucking plamf.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2022
  • #24,454
clint van damme said:
The striker v public narrative he keeps pushing makes me laugh.
Rail workers, train drivers, nurses, firemen, postmen, border staff, these are the public you fucking plamf.
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As a member of the public: inconvenience me all you need to get a fair wage.
 
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JAM See

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2022
  • #24,455
clint van damme said:
The striker v public narrative he keeps pushing makes me laugh.
Rail workers, train drivers, nurses, firemen, postmen, border staff, these are the public you fucking plamf.
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And don't get me started on this whole "Well the private sector don't get these sort of deals" narrative that we hear from the media.

Good unions equals good terms and conditions for the means of production.

Anybody bleating about somebody else getting more than them is in a race to the bottom.

Jaguar Land Rover Unite workers to get above inflation pay rise

Bosses attempted to row back on a previously agreed pay deal but the move was rejected by staff
www.coventrytelegraph.net
 
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JAM See

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2022
  • #24,456
Apparently, it takes an act of parliament to remove a life peerage.

Clergy and cronies can only be removed by an act of parliament.

Think on that.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2022
  • #24,457
In other news Warnock won in Georgia so 51-49
 
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JAM See

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2022
  • #24,458
Reading between the lines, even the army have had enough of this government.

This is from the Daily Telegraph, not normally a publication I'd associate with backing dissent from senior members of the armed forces.

archive.ph
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2022
  • #24,459
JAM See said:
And don't get me started on this whole "Well the private sector don't get these sort of deals" narrative that we hear from the media.

Good unions equals good terms and conditions for the means of production.

Anybody bleating about somebody else getting more than them is in a race to the bottom.

Jaguar Land Rover Unite workers to get above inflation pay rise

Bosses attempted to row back on a previously agreed pay deal but the move was rejected by staff
www.coventrytelegraph.net
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My pay increases as a teacher for ten years: 0%

My pay increases in private sector in six years: 368%
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 7, 2022
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David O'Day

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  • Dec 7, 2022
  • #24,461
The best thing about the German Coup is the male line naming tradition
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 8, 2022
  • #24,462
wingy said:
What's with the doomsday here?

$80trillion financial crash to 'Wipe out every dollar in the world'

The world faces a staggering financial meltdown with potential losses exceeding the total number of US dollars in circulation.
www.express.co.uk
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It’s the Express.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2022
  • #24,463
shmmeee said:

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If the rumours are true it’s a by-election. One for the Lib-Dems to take back you would think.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2022
  • #24,464
Sick Boy said:
It’s the Express.
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None of this would have happened if Diana hadn't died.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 8, 2022
  • #24,465
shmmeee said:
As a member of the public: inconvenience me all you need to get a fair wage.
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Their battle is my battle as far as I'm concerned

Anyway

 
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