fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
It was Alastair Darling as COE but yes he had promised austerity as well, albeit delivered in a different way from Gidiot's sledgehammer to all departmental budgets whether capital or revenue.
Yeah, but as I say, from memory Brown was going to deliver significant cuts as well post 2010. It was a long time ago so I might be wrong but I’d imagine a decent proportion of that growth was driven by the amount of public sector spending at the time which Brown knew he couldn’t maintain
Yeah, but as I say, from memory Brown was going to deliver significant cuts as well post 2010. It was a long time ago so I might be wrong but I’d imagine a decent proportion of that growth was driven by the amount of public sector spending at the time which Brown knew he couldn’t maintain
And here is where the problem is for Labour.
Mostly, the same loons that drove the economy to the brink of disaster are still Labour MPs, councillors or people in Labour inner workings that have the same Thatcher ideology as before.
Until a complete rechanging of the guard, then Labour is going to go nowhere.
It is not the ethics of what Labour was built around. It is the people who are playing the political game within it.
Basically, they are destroying the party from the inside on a bizarre search for power by being a little bit less shitty than the Tories.
Several times is a stretch, I apologise for not spending all day on here, I’d only posted it yesterday morning and it’s a busy time of the year for me. Anyhow …Well you've been asked several times what makes him one of the worst PMs of all time and still no response so I assumed it was something daft like that.
Inept chancellor and car crash of a PM?!
Please elaborate...
It’s what’s needed when the economy is on its arse though. Can’t cut your way out of recession.
Several times is a stretch, I apologise for not spending all day on here, I’d only posted it yesterday morning and it’s a busy time of the year for me. Anyhow …
I had already given you dithering as a reason, in fact many of his own cabinet wanted him out as I recall due to him being so indecisive. He had no real vision, so little that he couldn’t even shape his own party or give them anything tangible to get behind. Conversely to that, those he did directly manage (low end staff in no10) I think labelled his leadership style as little better than a schoolyard bully. He still wanted to continue with ID cards and having been already tainted by association to His Tonyness (who was such a snake he didn’t even stand aside as they’d agreed in their pact many years previous), he continued to stand by the war in Iraq. He never won an election either - without a mandate I think you call it now it’s on the other foot and you don’t like the result. Strangely I guess you don’t want him blamed for his part in the worldwide recession either and yet now we’re facing another it’s all the fault of those nasty Tories, who would’ve thought that you’d be so results orientated when it suits?! You flippantly mentioned the gold sale, however selling it right at the bottom certainly takes a special skill, so whilst I pointed out it was during his tenure as chancellor, I guess you’re the only person in the country who sees it as an endorsement!
I’m sorry my memory fails me as it was a long while back and I’m sure there were other errors (dropped his guard on record for that woman in the street but that was quite funny), but all I really have him down as rightly or wrongly was weak and poor. I only pointed out that despite some poor alternatives, if he was perceived as the best we’ve had (which Shmmeee alluded to) then things are pretty desperate, but genuinely couldn’t care whether you agree. You can spend the next 100 posts pulling this one apart piece by piece to explain why I’m wrong and make you feel superior, although I won’t be reading as I only pop on this thread sporadically rather than daily attention seeking, so knock yourself out and have some fun!
It was what was needed initially, the world was on its arse, just saying Brown knew this couldn’t be maintained so significant cuts were coming whoever got into power.
People forget or choose to ignore this. I’ve always thought Brown took too much flak for impact of financial crisis and Tories took too much flak for initial cuts post 2010*. People can and will always present both in a way that suits their arguments and would have some fair points
*ireland cut public sector pay by 10-15%…now that’s brutal !
Totally, but he was a serious economic mind and the last serious politician. And any cuts would have been handled far better than the indiscriminate austerity which likely ended up costing more than it saved. We’re still living with some decisions now around social care and policing and education cuts as they have very long tails.
Several times is a stretch, I apologise for not spending all day on here, I’d only posted it yesterday morning and it’s a busy time of the year for me. Anyhow …
I had already given you dithering as a reason, in fact many of his own cabinet wanted him out as I recall due to him being so indecisive. He had no real vision, so little that he couldn’t even shape his own party or give them anything tangible to get behind. Conversely to that, those he did directly manage (low end staff in no10) I think labelled his leadership style as little better than a schoolyard bully. He still wanted to continue with ID cards and having been already tainted by association to His Tonyness (who was such a snake he didn’t even stand aside as they’d agreed in their pact many years previous), he continued to stand by the war in Iraq. He never won an election either - without a mandate I think you call it now it’s on the other foot and you don’t like the result. Strangely I guess you don’t want him blamed for his part in the worldwide recession either and yet now we’re facing another it’s all the fault of those nasty Tories, who would’ve thought that you’d be so results orientated when it suits?! You flippantly mentioned the gold sale, however selling it right at the bottom certainly takes a special skill, so whilst I pointed out it was during his tenure as chancellor, I guess you’re the only person in the country who sees it as an endorsement!
I’m sorry my memory fails me as it was a long while back and I’m sure there were other errors (dropped his guard on record for that woman in the street but that was quite funny), but all I really have him down as rightly or wrongly was weak and poor. I only pointed out that despite some poor alternatives, if he was perceived as the best we’ve had (which Shmmeee alluded to) then things are pretty desperate, but genuinely couldn’t care whether you agree. You can spend the next 100 posts pulling this one apart piece by piece to explain why I’m wrong and make you feel superior, although I won’t be reading as I only pop on this thread sporadically rather than daily attention seeking, so knock yourself out and have some fun!
Several times is a stretch, I apologise for not spending all day on here, I’d only posted it yesterday morning and it’s a busy time of the year for me. Anyhow …
I had already given you dithering as a reason, in fact many of his own cabinet wanted him out as I recall due to him being so indecisive. He had no real vision, so little that he couldn’t even shape his own party or give them anything tangible to get behind. Conversely to that, those he did directly manage (low end staff in no10) I think labelled his leadership style as little better than a schoolyard bully. He still wanted to continue with ID cards and having been already tainted by association to His Tonyness (who was such a snake he didn’t even stand aside as they’d agreed in their pact many years previous), he continued to stand by the war in Iraq. He never won an election either - without a mandate I think you call it now it’s on the other foot and you don’t like the result. Strangely I guess you don’t want him blamed for his part in the worldwide recession either and yet now we’re facing another it’s all the fault of those nasty Tories, who would’ve thought that you’d be so results orientated when it suits?! You flippantly mentioned the gold sale, however selling it right at the bottom certainly takes a special skill, so whilst I pointed out it was during his tenure as chancellor, I guess you’re the only person in the country who sees it as an endorsement!
I’m sorry my memory fails me as it was a long while back and I’m sure there were other errors (dropped his guard on record for that woman in the street but that was quite funny), but all I really have him down as rightly or wrongly was weak and poor. I only pointed out that despite some poor alternatives, if he was perceived as the best we’ve had (which Shmmeee alluded to) then things are pretty desperate, but genuinely couldn’t care whether you agree. You can spend the next 100 posts pulling this one apart piece by piece to explain why I’m wrong and make you feel superior, although I won’t be reading as I only pop on this thread sporadically rather than daily attention seeking, so knock yourself out and have some fun!
It also took over a century to build Silicon Valley into what it is today. Are they really saying that it’s going to take decades and decades and decades to feel the benefits of brexit. There was also a number of reasons Silicon Valley happened and why it took so long. It was down to education/universities in the area, military needs during WW2, no shortage of capital investment etc. We have an underfunded education system, underfunded military and have made ourselves unattractive to investment. It’s a buzz word because Silicon Valley as a stand alone country would be one of the wealthiest in the world with one of the highest GDP’s in the world. It’s beyond a pipe dream. Also why did we have to leave the EU to do it? Also if we were europes Silicon Valley it would only actually make EU membership more logical, given that would obviously be our biggest market.They are going for this 'World's next silicon Valley' thing aren't they? Not sure that politically plays out with people as well as they think it does.
Andy Burnham was fantastic again on Question Time. What a pity he isn't leader
Agreed, it's a suitable role where you can be free to say what you want knowing you're not ultimately accountable for anythingHe tried twice then gave up. I think Mayor suits him.
No downsides only considerable upsides.At least we got our country back
Brexit has worsened shortage of NHS doctors, analysis shows
Exclusive: More than 4,000 European medics have chosen not to work in NHS since Britain left EU, data revealswww.theguardian.com
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How utterly depressing the next election is going to be
This utter drip saying that the UK government can't afford to pay money into the UK economy because it is unaffordable
Before Herts and the other fannies start, there is no point going on about what the Tories are doing as Labour is so far ahead in the polls it is time to look forward surely. The signs are not good.
How utterly depressing the next election is going to be
I mean that bit sounds fine but it really is a dead end street to start talking about affordability in that wayThat’s rather cynically clipped there.
I mean that bit sounds fine but it really is a dead end street to start talking about affordability in that way
Up there with Corbyns homeopathy support and the Greens anti nuclear for making me doubt the sanity of the people proposing it. Just on no level is this a sane policy.
In 2020 the power of the state to pay for anything it wanted to was demonstrated perfectly, let's use that as a starting point. The current discourse is an insult to people imo.It was just a dig at Tory economic record. I’ve said before you ain’t gonna convert the British public to MMT on your own. Current Tory fiscal rules are looser than McDonnells, even he understood you’ve got to play the game on economics.
Up there with Corbyns homeopathy support and the Greens anti nuclear for making me doubt the sanity of the people proposing it. Just on no level is this a sane policy.
Nuclear power plant in the next available green space to the council house. Lovely.
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