Brighton Sky Blue
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I did for PCC, Green for WCC and WDC with the rare luxury of it being a Green vs Labour contest and the Tories miles off
So...
Evo voted Labour.
Anybody else...?
Another thing wrong with Labour voters these days, they think people owe them an explanation of why they voted a certain way. No one owes you anything.
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So they are. As I thought, safe safe Tory seat. They got more votes than Labour, Greens and Lib Dem’s combined so I didn’t split anything. I did get the luxury of voting with my conscience and core principles though.All WCC results now in
Pandemic probably doesn't help, tbfThe turnouts are an embarrassment. Often midterm people use their vote as a protest against the incumbents but the fact people can't even get up off their arse and do that speaks volumes.
If CCFC lose a game, that's on us. You have to look at what happened during the match and ascertain how we do better next time. Blaming the opposition, their supporters, the referee, and the weather will not contribute to a more successful result next time.
Labour are getting what they deserved I think, and I have touched on this recently by saying that I personally believe a lot of people vote Tory as the 'lesser of two evils'. How much that is correct or not is a matter of opinion, but it keeps happening so there must be legs there somewhere. I don't think everyone who doesn't vote Labour is a Tory lover or whatever, but as someone touched on earlier, there seems to be those that think an explanation is owed as to why someone didn't vote in a particular way. That isn't just simply down to it being a political discussion, there is a tone and a sense of sneering which just turns people off.
Again, for the record, I voted for neither, and dislike both parties.
I specifically said voters. Although I assume she also would be a Labour voter, you would hope...Its people asking on a football message board mate, Idont think Lisa Nandy's got a login
I specifically said voters. Although I assume she also would be a Labour voter, you would hope...
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You'd think they'd be glad to have an excuse to get out then .... also, we're told all Tory voters are old and will have been killed off by covid so they should have less of the popular votePandemic probably doesn't help, tbf
Thought people hated gesture politics? Another Labour turn off apparently.Wow. Turns out they really did love those claps!
The fact its a football message board is irrelevant, is how large amounts of Labour voters behave across social media in general. People don't need to explain themselves to smug, passive aggressive fuckwits online.In which case the first half of the sentence still applies!
Looking at the votes in my own ward total votes is about the same. Anecdotal but I also know a couple of people who don’t usually vote in council elections because they can’t be arsed to go to the polling station but specifically because of Covid they’ve registered for postal voting and voted I the council elections for the first time ever.Pandemic probably doesn't help, tbf
The gains for the tories are humongous.Why would going woke explain the loss of votes to Lib Dem’s and Green?
You’re probably getting wound up by bots and professional trolls . Not real people.The fact its a football message board is irrelevant, is how large amounts of Labour voters behave across social media in general. People don't need to explain themselves to smug, passive aggressive fuckwits online.
That doesn't apply to you, just for record. I think you're alright most the time.
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So...
Evo voted Labour.
Anybody else...?
I'm not getting wound up at all, its an observation. Also, it's definitely not bots, it's very real people.You’re probably getting wound up by bots and professional trolls . Not real people.
The gains for the tories are humongous.
The people disillusioned with wokeness went Tory, the ultra woke, now without their lightning rod Corbyn, went green. Leaving Labour in no man's land. The loss to anti woke was greater than the loss to woke, so evo is right.Right but a lot of votes are also going to Green/LD, what would being too woke have to do with that?
The people disillusioned with wokeness went Tory, the ultra woke, now without their lightning rod Corbyn, went green. Leaving Labour in no man's land. The loss to anti woke was greater than the loss to woke, so evo is right.
I don't even like the term woke but I think that pretty much sums it up.
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Don't think those asking what the attraction is to voting Conservative are sneering, I certainly don't intend to come over that way. Its a genuine question. I look at what's happened since the Conservative came to power in 2010 and can't think of a single reason I would vote for them, if I'm missing something obvious everyone else knows I'd like to know what it is!there seems to be those that think an explanation is owed as to why someone didn't vote in a particular way. That isn't just simply down to it being a political discussion, there is a tone and a sense of sneering which just turns people off
The fact its a football message board is irrelevant, is how large amounts of Labour voters behave across social media in general. People don't need to explain themselves to smug, passive aggressive fuckwits online.
That doesn't apply to you, just for record. I think you're alright most the time.
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Well of course every individual has their own reasons. But I think largely, the very quick summary stands.I’m not woke at all I just wanted better local provisions and not to be laughed at by the party leader
I’m not woke at all I just wanted better local provisions and not to be laughed at by the party leader
^^thisDon't think those asking what the attraction is to voting Conservative are sneering, I certainly don't intend to come over that way. Its a genuine question. I look at what's happened since the Conservative came to power in 2010 and can't think of a single reason I would vote for them, if I'm missing something obvious everyone else knows I'd like to know what it is!
Think its only become a bit of a thing because its been asked multiple times and nobody seems able to answer.
That speaks volumesWow. Turns out they really did love those claps!
I'm not sure what woke even is but I dont use derogatory racist or misogynistic terms and have no desire to.
Am I woke?
Right but a lot of votes are also going to Green/LD, what would being too woke have to do with that?
Article by Rakib Ehsan
Last night showed yet again that large swathes of the country are sick of being treated with patronising condescension by Labour politicians and student activists. Labour was crushed in the Hartlepool by-election and suffered ward losses in multiple northern regions, with Conservatives gained control of Dudley, Nuneaton and Bedworth councils.
These areas, with their high numbers of traditional blue collar workers, are leading the charge against a woke agenda that has almost destroyed their traditional party. Working class voters are sending a clear message: they do not need a ‘political re-education’, and they reject the fundamentally warped interpretation of British society held by some of the most vocal Labour representatives.
They see that too many Labour politicians are in thrall to a toxic racialised politics, the extent of this became clear when Sir Keir Starmer ‘took the knee’ in support of Black Lives Matter. The movement's calls for the abolition of the police and a post-capitalist society reflect a crude identitarianism that carries no truck with the vast majority of Britons. Only one in ten of people in this country are in favour of reduced investment for local police forces.
Labour is also too comfortable with elements of the London elite who proudly vilify provincial voters who supported Brexit. It doesn’t help matters that Sir Keir Starmer was the chief architect of Labour’s second referendum policy – an exemplification of the metropolitan, anti-democratic tendencies which have taken hold of the party. It was, naturally, electorally disastrous.
The party had an opportunity to embrace Brexit. It could have framed the constitutional change as an opportunity to reform our democratic system of governance to empower local communities. But Starmer and his team lacked the imagination to do so.
Now, as Labour reflects on this week’s disastrous results, it must avoid the temptation to double down by embracing the ‘energetic’, but ultimately witless, Corbynite brigade. Backbench MPs such as Zarah Sultana and Nadia Whittome may be wildly popular in their social media echo-chambers, but student-style political activism goes down like a lead balloon outside of them.
One would certainly be keen to see Sultana visit Dudley and articulate why fighting racism must be part of a broader anti-capitalist strategy, or to accompany Whittome on a trip to Nuneaton, where she would no doubt attempt to explain why she struggles to condemn violent anti-police riots.
Back in the real world, the existential nature of their party’s problems should not be underestimated. Provincial market towns such as Nuneaton have historically been viewed as the ‘bellwethers’ of Middle England. With Labour rapidly evolving into a rudderless political creature, representing a foul blend of metropolitan liberalism and student-style identity politics, these areas, with their pro-Brexit, community-oriented and quietly traditional electorates, are likely to turn into solid blue territory.
Labour politicians would only have themselves to blame for such an outcome.
Just empty rhetoric and buzzwords. What is the actual plan?
FFS, have you seen the Prime Minister?
Pretty much everything being thrown at Labour (a lot of it rightly and fairly so) is equally applicable to the Conservatives.
The double standards are ridiculous.
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