skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
No. I don’t think for one minute that you’re a racist.
No. I don’t think for one minute that you’re a racist.Are you talking about me?
If you bang on to your kids like the way you bang on and on and on on here then they will remember not to visit you when they've left home and got in with their lives. Seriously.It was his own backbenchers that scared him into a referendum, he thought he could end party squabbling with a referendum. UKIP was no threat to safe Tory seats, if anything they was more dangerous to safe Labour seats as the 2019 GE proved. IIRC they only ever had 2 MP’s in their entire history and they were defections and I think they only retained 1, Ferage couldn’t get elected to parliament if his life depended on it. You’re writing your own history again. Try some self reflection, it will help you later in life when you have to explain your part in this to your children.
I’ve got mates already there. I didn’t have kids until my mid 30’s most of my mates were having them 5-10years before me and most of them voted leave (deciding factor in seeing the writing on the wall). Most of their kids weren’t eligible to vote in the referendum so we’re relying on their parents to get it right for them. Most of their kids are now in f voting age and now have an opinion and they want to know why their parents voted for sanctions against our country, why they voted for them to lose personal rights, why they voted for them to leave school/university and enter the real world in considerably more difficult circumstances than there needed to be based on obvious lies about sovereignty, immigration, cost of living, anti growth politics, they want to know why their parents had the benefits of EU membership but they’ve robbed them of it. I think I’m right in saying your children are younger than mine from things you’ve said in the past. Maybe you’ll fall lucky and my children will right your wrongs so you don’t have to have the difficult conversations my mates are having to have with their children. Most of them see the errors of brexit by the way and would vote differently given the opportunity. Nothing like explaining to your kids that you fell for a load of horse shit to give you the dose of reality needed to admit your errors.
Would you like to show me the evidence that I'm a racist ?Again, you’re an actual grown man. Still you’ve got your racist fan boy on side .
Let’s get the Libs on defending the pound shop Farage running Labour.
However to support that he also talked about a substantive education plan to upskill and train people.*lights touch paper*
Immigration controls are a left wing policy and Corbyn said the same thing.
*runs*
Thanks for making my point - a substantive minimum wage that Labour won’t touch.How it started:
Jeremy Corbyn: Brexit will stop cheap foreign labour undercutting British workers’ pay
Jeremy Corbyn has said Brexit will put a stop to firms “importing cheap labour” to undercut the wages of UK workers.www.politicshome.com
How it’s going:
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However to support that he also talked about a substantive education plan to upskill and train people.
Starmer can’t even back public sector workers trying to get a fair wage.
Thanks for making my point - a substantive minimum wage that Labour won’t touch.
£800 over 52 weeks - fuck me that’s impressive…. An astronomical 38p extra an hour for a 40 hour week.Minimum wage earners would receive hundreds of pounds of extra pay under Labour plans
BRITS on the minimum wage would be in line for hundreds of pounds of extra pay to cover the cost of living under Labour plans. Sir Keir Starmer has drawn up proposals to help the lowest earners get…www.thesun.co.uk
£800 over 52 weeks - fuck me that’s impressive…. An astronomical 38p extra an hour for a 40 hour week.
I don’t even disagree with the sentiment of it - we do need to do it, but there is no ‘real’ effort to improve living standards is there?That’s the Suns guess. He’s not put a number on it, but isn’t tying it to living standards better?
Do you want him to have a big row with business in the middle of an election campaign? All signs point to him wanting to raise it. Of course he does, he’s a Labour leader. Yet you said he wouldn’t look at it.
Just accept you’re making wild baseless claims because his name isn’t Jeremy and save us all time.
The education and training implementation could potentially take a decade at least if you think of the need in the NHS alone. Did he say that immigration will need to likely increase before it will go down as a result of his policy? What do you think?I'm not sure that saying more money should be spent on education and training, and that immigration levels don't need to go down is further right than the Tories 'send the buggers back' policy but what do I know
I don’t even disagree with the sentiment of it - we do need to do it, but there is no ‘real’ effort to improve living standards is there?
He won’t actually back any public sector workers to get a real pay rise to keep up with inflation, he won’t actually back any substantive rise in the minimum wage either.
There are no signs at all… it’s barely equitable with useless Tory promises - and yes he should be doing far better.
PS… not sure why you keep mentioning Jeremy…. You need to move on
Interesting line to take from Starmer and obviously conflicts with his historical stance on freedom of movement, which doesn’t provide any genuine controls on supply of labour
It’s about time a sensible debate took place and maybe Starmer raising it might encourage this but it needs well thought out policy. Productivity is shit in this country and one of the main reasons is lack of investment in both automation and people, which is partly due to the availability of cheap labour
Focus on investment in people, encourage capital investment and provide a sensible short and longer term migration policy to address shortages/skills and it ‘should’ ultimately lead to higher productivity and wages.
Ps just to be clear this isn’t anti immigration. Ive always said I’d be happy if we have net migration of 50k, 100k or 200k as long as those people are filling the roles we need and we have the public infrastructure to cope. That requires proper planning, policy and control - unfortunately I don’t think politicians/government have this in them
I get that point, presented very differently though*lights touch paper*
Immigration controls are a left wing policy and Corbyn said the same thing.
*runs*
The education and training implementation could potentially take a decade at least if you think of the need in the NHS alone. Did he say that immigration will need to likely increase before it will go down as a result of his policy? What do you think?
There'll be delays implemented more quickly?In fact he said Labour would "speed up visa delays to avoid labour shortages damaging the economy".
There'll be delays implemented more quickly?
Shmmeee says we have to believe Starmer verbatim, his Google searches confirmed it.Don't always agree with Bastani but he isn't wrong here is he
I can't see any of that ever coming back to bite himShmmeee says we have to believe Starmer verbatim, his Google searches confirmed it.
And also ignore him reneging on pretty much every leadership pledge he made because they don’t count really.
I get that point, presented very differently though
Shmmeee says we have to believe Starmer verbatim, his Google searches confirmed it.
And also ignore him reneging on pretty much every leadership pledge he made because they don’t count really.
My point isn’t about Starmer. It’s about you and the left in general and how you need to get over Corbyn Fucking up the project.
Be as angry as you like at Starmer but he looks like he’s going to be PM and his policy is considerably more left wing than most previous Labour leaders and on many issues you take issue with the exact same policy position as Corbyn because it’s not Corbyn saying it.
Corbyn didn’t keep a single promise. Because he never came close to being elected.
The left is its own worst enemy man. And all the complaining about Blair won’t change that. Blair by the way who is still hands down the second best PM in my lifetime behind Gordon Brown, who as someone else not in the SCG and to the right of Starmer I assume you also hate.
He talked and an immigration dependency and off the back of that talked about cheap labour.Yeah Corbyn used the “foreign workers undercutting good old Brits” which is considerably more dog whistle racism than “business needs to stop its addiction to cheap Labour” as it frames the issue as a problem with business not immigrants.
Blair by the way who is still hands down the second best PM in my lifetime behind Gordon Brown
Fkn hell!!! I know you hate all things Tory and I know we've given you a rum bunch of leaders to choose from, but Brown? Really?
Possibly one of the nicer and I'd concede more trustworthy politicians we've seen but a complete car crash of a PM!
My point isn’t about Starmer. It’s about you and the left in general and how you need to get over Corbyn Fucking up the project.
Be as angry as you like at Starmer but he looks like he’s going to be PM and his policy is considerably more left wing than most previous Labour leaders and on many issues you take issue with the exact same policy position as Corbyn because it’s not Corbyn saying it.
Corbyn didn’t keep a single promise. Because he never came close to being elected.
The left is its own worst enemy man. And all the complaining about Blair won’t change that. Blair by the way who is still hands down the second best PM in my lifetime behind Gordon Brown, who as someone else not in the SCG and to the right of Starmer I assume you also hate.
No one mentions Corbyn anywhere near as much as you.
And Starmer constantly contradicts himself, that's a fact, as you said, it literally takes seconds to Google to prove it.
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