Ian1779
Well-Known Member
Yeah it is - especially seeing as we’ve all been fucked by one.
Yeah it is - especially seeing as we’ve all been fucked by one.the never kissed a tory stuff is pretty sad to be fair
‘The focus groups said it would go down well’Is page two a picture of him with his tongue down Liz Truss
He has his tongue that far down Reeves throat they've swapped voicesHe could referring to licking the mirror or a quick Hancockian fumble with Rachel reeves
Rejoining the SM in around 10 years is inevitable, IMO…I don’t think the UK will rejoin now in our lifetime though.Can see a groundswell of support for SM access over the next five years. Only at a third so far according to most recent polling I can find.
“We’re we wrong in hindsight” is a very different question to “should we rejoin” as we certainly won’t have the sweet deal we had before and questions about currency etc pop up. And SM access without input on rules is another question again. But if we don’t see this buccaneering global Britain soon people’s pockets will make the decision for them.
Labour would abolish the House of Lords
The House would be replaced with a "new, reformed upper chamber", the BBC is told.www.bbc.co.uk
Yes, this is what everyone has been saying for ages, but the issue has always been what to replace it with, which has been conveniently left out of the conversation.
The leaked Labour internal report on this said an elected body representing nations and regions of the U.K.
I’ve said before on here im not a fan of two elected chambers, Id rather see expertise than more vote chasers.
The Lords is an absolute farce, Johnson has thrown his Oligarchs kids and 20 year old spads in there, christ knows who Truss is going to put in. We need change, or at least reform.The idea of the modern second chamber is to chuck out bad ideas from becoming law.
In reality, it is just another shit fest for the political classes to fight over and destroy.
See the issues with the Senate in America if you want an example.
Agreed there, the issue is what change or reform.The Lords is an absolute farce, Johnson has thrown his Oligarchs kids and 20 year old spads in there, christ knows who Truss is going to put in. We need change, or at least reform.
I agree, but the problem is that you rarely get someone who is affiliated in some way to political parties or individuals. So often you get people that you can kind of second guess what their plan of action will be, even though they're supposedly independent.The leaked Labour internal report on this said an elected body representing nations and regions of the U.K.
I’ve said before on here im not a fan of two elected chambers, Id rather see expertise than more vote chasers.
Need to stop ice skating as wellNellist suggested going to one chamber, but this, for me, is just throwing out the baby with the bath water.
The idea of second chamber, chucking out bad ideas from becoming law, is just too good of an idea to get rid of.
It is no good having shorter terms for representatives when they are going to pass bad laws which we all need to live by.
We need to stop these ideas before they become law.
that account is a bit all over the place, you really have to try and pick out the occasional posts that are valid. the ice skating one is a prime example, moans the price is too high then in the next tweet moans that it lost money last year.Need to stop ice skating as well
Yes but the idiotic remain MPs voted it down as an optionRejoining the SM in around 10 years is inevitable, IMO…I don’t think the UK will rejoin now in our lifetime though.
The Mail is already getting agitated - Government 'considering a Swiss-style relationship with the EU'
If there had been a proper debate and compromise, the EEA option would have been better at avoiding the division and polarity around it all - even the likes of a Farage were going on about “the Norway option” pre-referendum.
When was that? From what I remember there was little discussion before the vote nor afterwards - positions on both sides seemed to be entrenched to the extremes. Even on here we managed to reach an agreement that EEA would have been a fair compromise.Yes but the idiotic remain MPs voted it down as an option
The problem is it'd end up giving the benefits (and problems) of staying in the EU, but lose all control and ability to influence it, so it's a bit of a non-option really. It's better than what we have now, but ultimately is pointless so falls into the category of not giving an option that's better than staying in, which is what they were (vainly!) hunting for.When was that? From what I remember there was little discussion before the vote nor afterwards - positions on both sides seemed to be entrenched to the extremes. Even on here we managed to reach an agreement that EEA would have been a fair compromise.
When was that? From what I remember there was little discussion before the vote nor afterwards - positions on both sides seemed to be entrenched to the extremes. Even on here we managed to reach an agreement that EEA would have been a fair compromise.
We’ve lost for good the biggest benefit we had when we left, the veto on the euro. If we fully rejoin it will be with a commitment to dump the pound at some point in the future for the Euro. EEA might actually be the better option now for that reason alone. Maybe not though, the only two countries that ever had a veto on the euro was us and Denmark, plenty of other countries are yet to take up the euro. Some because they don’t meet the criteria however Sweden had a referendum on it and voted not to join the eurozone. I don’t know for sure but I think that referendum takes sovereignty over the commitment to join the euro.The problem is it'd end up giving the benefits (and problems) of staying in the EU, but lose all control and ability to influence it, so it's a bit of a non-option really. It's better than what we have now, but ultimately is pointless so falls into the category of not giving an option that's better than staying in, which is what they were (vainly!) hunting for.
I think after all the accumulated damage they have caused in this 12 year spell they shouldn't be allowed near government for decades. But at worst for them it'll probably end up being a Labour minority then a Tory majority 5 years later.We’ve lost for good the biggest benefit we had when we left, the veto on the euro. If we fully rejoin it will be with a commitment to dump the pound at some point in the future for the Euro. EEA might actually be the better option now for that reason alone. Maybe not though, the only two countries that ever had a veto on the euro was us and Denmark, plenty of other countries are yet to take up the euro. Some because they don’t meet the criteria however Sweden had a referendum on it and voted not to join the eurozone. I don’t know for sure but I think that referendum takes sovereignty over the commitment to join the euro.
I guess what I’m saying is that any decision to rejoin the EU needs to be more considered than the decision to leave the EU. In other words we try to listen to the experts because they were bang on over brexit.
Amazing how you criticise Starmer all the time for not being radical enough, and then call people idiotic for sticking to their principles and not voting to make the country poorer. By doing so they would have just been pandering to the xenophobia that underpinned Brexit. Yes it might have meant Labour didn't lose the red wall but it would have been morally bankrupt in my view. Anyway it would never have worked. The Tories were too set on a hard Brexit, and stopping migration from the EU was the main driver behind Brexit.Yes but the idiotic remain MPs voted it down as an option
It isn't really an non option, the benefits far outweigh to the downsides.The problem is it'd end up giving the benefits (and problems) of staying in the EU, but lose all control and ability to influence it, so it's a bit of a non-option really. It's better than what we have now, but ultimately is pointless so falls into the category of not giving an option that's better than staying in, which is what they were (vainly!) hunting for.
Once the referendum had happened it happened, any grown up politician would recognise that. The job after the vote was to minimise the impact and the remain MPs catastrophically failed to do that.Amazing how you criticise Starmer all the time for not being radical enough, and then call people idiotic for sticking to their principles and not voting to make the country poorer. By doing so they would have just been pandering to the xenophobia that underpinned Brexit. Yes it might have meant Labour didn't lose the red wall but it would have been morally bankrupt in my view. Anyway it would never have worked. The Tories were too set on a hard Brexit, and stopping migration from the EU was the main driver behind Brexit.
The point being, when it was being decided as to what to do, it was a worse option than staying in the EU, so was not an option.It isn't really an non option, the benefits far outweigh to the downsides.
Staying in the EU was NOT an option though, that's the point. The referendum had happened and there was no way the result was not going to be implemented.The point being, when it was being decided as to what to do, it was a worse option than staying in the EU, so was not an option.
Once the referendum had happened it happened, any grown up politician would recognise that. The job after the vote was to minimise the impact and the remain MPs catastrophically failed to do that.
It's amazing how now it's remainers who are responsible for the mess and are the idiots rather than those who campaigned for and voted for Brexit. The right always use this argument and it is like Truss' anti growth coalition logic.Once the referendum had happened it happened, any grown up politician would recognise that. The job after the vote was to minimise the impact and the remain MPs catastrophically failed to do that.
And the point is it's clearly not economics that would motivate a vote, in that case. If it were then there was an option, if concluding all options were worse, of sending it back to the people and it's a nonsense spouted that that isn't democratic, it's the very essence of democracy!Staying in the EU was NOT an option though, that's the point. The referendum had happened and there was no way the result was not going to be implemented.
Well yes but I was not making that argument. The remain MPs pre and post referendum failed to articulate the importance of the single market and got stupidly sucked into to every silly binary choice narrative cooked up by the leave campaign.Not quite as much as Leave MPs did. Who kept stabbing PMs in the back until they got the most mental one they could.
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