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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (35 Viewers)

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wingy

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #23,871
I'd wager it's already shared tbf from personal experience.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #23,872
shmmeee said:
As I was talking about the other day, Dawn Butler pisses me off at the best of times but this is a classic in the left “ooohhh scary data” stories that hold us back

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I know what you're saying but you're talking about a party in government with known links to private health insurance. If it isn't nailed down or even if it is they will try to sell it.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #23,873
fernandopartridge said:
I know what you're saying but you're talking about a party in government with known links to private health insurance. If it isn't nailed down or even if it is they will try to sell it.
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Sure. But pick your battles. Should be a case for a better company rather than just outright no data.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #23,874
shmmeee said:
Sure. But pick your battles. Should be a case for a better company rather than just outright no data.
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You pick yours, she's a relatively irrelevant MP
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #23,875
fernandopartridge said:
You pick yours, she's a relatively irrelevant MP
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It was just an example of something I was talking about earlier. I work in data so data use is kinda my hobby horse.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,876
With there being City politics, I missed the 'real' stuff! Cut in threshold for top rate of income tax is surprising for a Tory at a glance I can't see anything about cuts to budgets, so can someone fill me in if there are any actual cuts, or holding as-is rather than rising with inflation?
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,877
Deleted member 5849 said:
With there being City politics, I missed the 'real' stuff! Cut in threshold for top rate of income tax is surprising for a Tory at a glance I can't see anything about cuts to budgets, so can someone fill me in if there are any actual cuts, or holding as-is rather than rising with inflation?
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Council tax is up, so they can blame councils.

Cuts seem to be kicked until after next election.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,878
shmmeee said:
Council tax is up, so they can blame councils.

Cuts seem to be kicked until after next election.
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Well at least that's my job sort of secure, I suppose.
 

David O'Day

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,879
Deleted member 5849 said:
With there being City politics, I missed the 'real' stuff! Cut in threshold for top rate of income tax is surprising for a Tory at a glance I can't see anything about cuts to budgets, so can someone fill me in if there are any actual cuts, or holding as-is rather than rising with inflation?
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grim 55bn in tax and spending cut hits
living standards back to 201 levels
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,880
Deleted member 5849 said:
Well at least that's my job sort of secure, I suppose.
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As long as you don’t live in a house you’ll be fine
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,881
shmmeee said:
As long as you don’t live in a house you’ll be fine
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In all seriousness, I'd always take tax rises for more public spending. In some kind of perverse way I guess we've got that now in that it stops extreme cuts, but I'd rather we went a bit further and spent our way out of recession, but actually funded that spending.
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,882
Deleted member 5849 said:
In all seriousness, I'd always take tax rises for more public spending. In some kind of perverse way I guess we've got that now in that it stops extreme cuts, but I'd rather we went a bit further and spent our way out of recession, but actually funded that spending.
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Same. Though the 5% a year doesn’t touch the sides compared to local govt cuts.

As far as I’m concerned anyone who refuses to tax wealth seriously doesn’t give a damn about fiscal stability.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,883
David O'Day said:
grim 55bn in tax and spending cut hits
living standards back to 201 levels
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We’ll eat like Romans
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,884
Real wages still behind where they were in 2008 and to fall further. Tories and their voters are an economic catastrophe for the majority.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,885
fernandopartridge said:
Real wages still behind where they were in 2008 and to fall further. Tories and their voters are an economic catastrophe for the majority.
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Taken a global powerhouse with a seat at every important table and turned us into an irrelevant backwater laughing stock.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,886
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,887
Who was in government for the majority of these falls in real household disposable income?

Be interesting to overlay each parliament on it - look at the 'dark days' of the 70s there TORY CUNTS


 

Ian1779

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,888
David O'Day said:
grim 55bn in tax and spending cut hits
living standards back to 201 levels
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AD 201 sounds about right.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,889
Ian1779 said:
AD 201 sounds about right.
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Hypocaust bills went through the roof that year.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,890
Ian1779 said:
AD 201 sounds about right.
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2013 but yeah it's gonna get roman
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,891
Going to hit a lot of vulnerable people. Still nothing on non dom which could have raised aa few bob and sneaking under the radar is they upturn they're predicting next year is funded by a 12p per litre rise in fuel duty
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,892
Anyone reckon Rishi’s tax bill has gone up?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,893
Imagine having an economy that is mostly reliant on consumer spending and having a government and BOE that actively works to reduce it. Keep price inflation down yet taxes are up and job losses are many.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,894
Tories are proper fucked…

 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,895
shmmeee said:
Tories are proper fucked…

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And they're taking the country with them
 

David O'Day

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,896
Hunt today was telling Labour you "can't borrow your way to growth".

Surely the CX should understand the basics of capitalism.
 

JAM See

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,897
Deleted member 5849 said:
With there being City politics, I missed the 'real' stuff! Cut in threshold for top rate of income tax is surprising for a Tory at a glance I can't see anything about cuts to budgets, so can someone fill me in if there are any actual cuts, or holding as-is rather than rising with inflation?
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They've basically kicked the can down the road for a couple of years, knowing they won't be in power then.
 
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Nuskyblue

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,898
Deleted member 5849 said:
With there being City politics, I missed the 'real' stuff! Cut in threshold for top rate of income tax is surprising for a Tory at a glance I can't see anything about cuts to budgets, so can someone fill me in if there are any actual cuts, or holding as-is rather than rising with inflation?
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Based on nothing other than reading this thread (my goto politics digestive) any top rate tax band fuckery is gotten around by the top earners?

What I heard on the radio sounded like austerity2?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,899
David O'Day said:
Hunt today was telling Labour you "can't borrow your way to growth".

Surely the CX should understand the basics of capitalism.
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The UK government does not really borrow money, it creates gilts to sell investments to the market. There is no reliance on selling bonds to fund spending it's just a choice.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,900
JAM See said:
They've basically kicked the can down the road for a couple of years, knowing they won't be in power then.
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Got the distinct impression that they're effectively assuming they'll lose the next election so make it so all the shit stuff happens after that and they can say "Labour's fault".

Of course Labour can change the plan, but in reality no matter what anyone does it's going to be pretty bad. So if Labour do change it then Tories say "it was bad because they changed the plan and ours was better." If Labour don't they say they were right all along and Labour just copied their plans.

All while handily not mentioning the reason we have to go through this shit is because of a Tory party that has mismanaged the economy for over a decade and let an absolute lunatic take charge for a month that was long enough to put us massively in the shit.
 
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JAM See

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,901
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Got the distinct impression that they're effectively assuming they'll lose the next election so make it so all the shit stuff happens after that and they can say "Labour's fault".

Of course Labour can change the plan, but in reality no matter what anyone does it's going to be pretty bad. So if Labour do change it then Tories say "it was bad because they changed the plan and ours was better." If Labour don't they say they were right all along and Labour just copied their plans.

All while handily not mentioning the reason we have to go through this shit is because of a Tory party that has mismanaged the economy for over a decade and let an absolute lunatic take charge for a month that was long enough to put us massively in the shit.
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Increase taxes on wealth, to increase investment, which will lead to growth.

It's really not difficult.

Anything else is ideology.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,902
JAM See said:
Increase taxes on wealth, to increase investment, which will lead to growth.

It's really not difficult.

Anything else is ideology.
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I'm very much in the increasing public spending and investment, especially on infrastructure, during tough times and recession, as a means of creating stimulus as people have jobs and can use that to create demand elsewhere and thus more jobs. Plus there's fewer people on benefits etc so you can save spending there.

But even so that will still have some lag time to have an effect and there will be some pain in the interim.

I've never got austerity in the public sector as you're killing the one thing that could help you out of the mess - demand. And usually pushed by people that themselves rely heavily on debt to further their improve their own wealth.

It's quite mind boggling.
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,903
JAM See said:
Increase taxes on wealth, to increase investment, which will lead to growth.

It's really not difficult.

Anything else is ideology.
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duffer

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,904
shmmeee said:
It was just an example of something I was talking about earlier. I work in data so data use is kinda my hobby horse.
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Uh oh. Just as we were getting along so well.

I work in data too, and GDPR is a real pain in the arse but I'm 100% in favour of it. The key is the ability the opt-out of your personal data being processed, which in some cases is very much the smart thing to do.

There's nothing more personal I can think of than your medical data, and sending it to the States (which is somewhat lax on data controls) is a really poor idea. Sending it to Palantir, given their links to the Police and security services (and the Republicans and Trump for good measure), even less so.

If the data was genuinely anonymised that would be one thing, but by the look of it this is pseudo-anonymisation, which isn't that hard to unravel if you've got the time and a few different sources available. It's right to kick up about it, imho.

UK hospital patient data set to enter Palantir system

'You'll be hearing from us,' say privacy campaigners who previously forced the government to back down
www.theregister.com
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #23,905
Was in a union meeting tonight where some higher level individuals were very upset that I didn’t want the national conference to call for union action on climate change. Even more upset that we were discussing the proposals in less time than article whatever of the union rule book says-by a whole 2 days.

No wonder the real left in this country achieves sod all
 
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