Non AMP
Sky Blues Talk
  • Home
  • Forums
  • General Discussion
  • Off Topic Chat
This is a mobile optimized page that loads fast, if you want to load the real page, click this text.

Do you want to discuss boring politics? (24 Viewers)

  • Thread starter mrtrench
  • Start date Jun 14, 2020
Forums New posts
Prev
  • 1
  • …
  • 677
  • 678
  • 679
  • 680
  • 681
  • …
  • 1495
Next
First Prev 679 of 1495 Next Last

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,731
Philosorapter said:
Jumped before she was pushed.
Click to expand...

And the evidence you have for this is?
 

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,732
I would have to look it up Gilbert's post online but as usual her name instantly escapes my mind.
 

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,733
shmmeee said:
And the evidence you have for this is?
Click to expand...


 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,734
Philosorapter said:
Click to expand...

Wrong tweet? This says that she stood down and had been planning to for a while. Which is what I said.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,735
I swear half the misinformation on the internet is down to people lack of reading comprehension.
 
Reactions: duffer

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,736
shmmeee said:
I swear half the misinformation on the internet is down to people lack of reading comprehension.
Click to expand...

Unless, of course, Gilbert giving what people needed to know on the Twitter feed, and other people are spinning like crazy, Not you Shmmeee, when I talk to you, it feels like the spinning has stopped and this is what's giving me vertigo.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,737
Philosorapter said:
Unless, of course, Gilbert giving what people need to know on the Twitter feed, and other people are spinning like crazy, Not you Shmmeee, when I talk to you, it feels like the spinning has stopped and this is what's giving me vertigo.
Click to expand...

There’s literally nothing in that tweet that supports your position. She wanted to step down for a while, everyone knew this, I know people who know her personally and know the reasons, it was nothing to do with “jump before you’re pushed”.
 
D

Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,738
Philosorapter said:
Yep, setting up a straw man argument is as far as the conversation gets with you.

How about the new slogan for Labour mugs being;

I used to have principles, but I would sell my own Grandmother to get into power.

I'm voting Labour.
Click to expand...
A full-on lefty policy would be border controls on steroids...
 
Reactions: Deleted member 9744 and shmmeee

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,739
Deleted member 5849 said:
A full-on lefty policy would be border controls on steroids...
Click to expand...

On that note…

Jeremy Corbyn: Brexit will stop cheap foreign labour undercutting British workers’ pay

Jeremy Corbyn has said Brexit will put a stop to firms “importing cheap labour” to undercut the wages of UK workers.
www.politicshome.com
 
Reactions: Deleted member 9744
D

Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,740
shmmeee said:
There’s literally nothing in that tweet that supports your position. She wanted to step down for a while, everyone knew this, I know people who know her personally and know the reasons, it was nothing to do with “jump before you’re pushed”.
Click to expand...
She's the only Coventry MP still with a large majority, so am pretty sure she wouldn't have been pushed, even if personally some might think she could do more.

(And she has answered every email I've written her, even if it is often just with a party political broadcast back!)
 

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,741
Deleted member 5849 said:
A full-on lefty policy would be border controls on steroids...
Click to expand...

It is popular to label libertarianism as a right-wing doctrine. But this is mistaken. For one, on social (rather than economic) issues, libertarianism implies what are commonly considered left-wing views. And second, there is a subset of so-called “left-libertarian” theories. While all libertarians endorse similar rights over the person, left-libertarians differ from other libertarians with respect to how much people can appropriate in terms of unowned natural resources (land, air, water, minerals, etc.).

Libertarianism (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

That's just totally fucked up shmmeee's argument.
 
Last edited: Nov 8, 2022

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,742
Philosorapter said:
It is popular to label libertarianism as a right-wing doctrine. But this is mistaken. For one, on social (rather than economic) issues, libertarianism implies what are commonly considered left-wing views. And second, there is a subset of so-called “left-libertarian” theories. While all libertarians endorse similar rights over the person, left-libertarians differ from other libertarians with respect to how much people can appropriate in terms of unowned natural resources (land, air, water, minerals, etc.).

Libertarianism (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

That's just totally fucked up shmmeee argument.
Click to expand...

At its most basic level left vs right is about government interference in the economy. What you mean is you’re socially liberal. The left wing position is controlled immigration to keep workers wages high. That’s why that’s Corbyns position.

The right wing position is cheap labour. That’s why that was Blair and Cameron’s position.

This might help you out if you’ve got access: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1467-923X.12099

What you actually mean is “be nice to asylum seekers and don’t be racist” but that’s nothing to do with border controls and everything to do with equality laws and efficient processing of claims. Which no Labour leader since Blair has ever disagreed with.

Just more lazy “we’re the only moral people actually” bollocks.
 
Reactions: Sky Blue Pete

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,743
shmmeee said:
At its most basic level left vs right is about government interference in the economy. What you mean is you’re socially liberal. The left wing position is controlled immigration to keep workers wages high. That’s why that’s Corbyns position.

The right wing position is cheap labour. That’s why that was Blair and Cameron’s position.

This might help you out if you’ve got access: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1467-923X.12099

What you actually mean is “be nice to asylum seekers and don’t be racist” but that’s nothing to do with border controls and everything to do with equality laws and efficient processing of claims. Which no Labour leader since Blair has ever disagreed with.

Just more lazy “we’re the only moral people actually” bollocks.
Click to expand...

It's like arguing with a large plank of wood.

Have a decent one Shmmeee
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,744
Deleted member 5849 said:
She's the only Coventry MP still with a large majority, so am pretty sure she wouldn't have been pushed, even if personally some might think she could do more.

(And she has answered every email I've written her, even if it is often just with a party political broadcast back!)
Click to expand...
yeah she's stepping down as she wants to step down
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,745
Philosorapter said:
It's like arguing with a large plank of wood.

Have a decent one Shmmeee
Click to expand...

Im not sure you’ve put a single argument across. We’ve gone from you quoting a post about a Tory MP being thick with some comment about mugs, then from me pointing out Corbyn was the king of shit merch to you going on about CCC, to weird baseless conspiracy theories about Colleen Fletcher, to you not understanding why controlled immigration is a left wing policy and always has been.

And I’m someone who actually understands your graphs so am starting from a high base.
 

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,746
David O'Day said:
yeah she's stepping down as she wants to step down
Click to expand...

Let the spinning commence.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,747
Anyway, back to politics.

 
D

Deleted member 9744

Guest
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,748
shmmeee said:
Anyway, back to politics.

Click to expand...
Now this doesn't surprise me. Didn't they give millions to Dido Harding to run track and trace on Excel?
 
Reactions: chohan
P

PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,749
Philosorapter said:
However, others don't mind putting their pledges on the side of a mug.

I guess it scored well in the focus groups.

View attachment 27109
Click to expand...

You realise that photo isn't real, right?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,750
Deleted member 9744 said:
Now this doesn't surprise me. Didn't they give millions to Dido Harding to run track and trace on Excel?
Click to expand...

Just unbelievable. Just strengthens my belief that we need a proper government run software house that builds this kind of stuff (as well as school and NHS systems)
 
Reactions: Sky_Blue_Dreamer

JAM See

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,751
shmmeee said:
Just unbelievable. Just strengthens my belief that we need a proper government run software house that builds this kind of stuff (as well as school and NHS systems)
Click to expand...
It's endemic.
When I worked for a well known luxury car manufacturer, the vehicles themselves would be updated every twelve months, but the IT systems behind that development were expected to keep pace without being upgraded on a regular basis.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,752
JAM See said:
It's endemic.
When I worked for a well known luxury car manufacturer, the vehicles themselves would be updated every twelve months, but the IT systems behind that development were expected to keep pace without being upgraded on a regular basis.
Click to expand...

I mean in manufacturing that can work. I remember the DOS machines at Marconi at the turn of the century that just worked so no one touched them.

But there’s some fairly basic stuff that a half decent IT system could solve for government (in fact I think Estonia has an open source system for a lot of it already). Their problem is always farming it out to fucking awful software houses like Crapita and not building capability internally.

Also a British software house could build on FOSS projects and licence them to British business boosting productivity or register patents that make the treasury money. We have some of the best developers on the planet we should use them.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,753
Deleted member 9744 said:
Now this doesn't surprise me. Didn't they give millions to Dido Harding to run track and trace on Excel?
Click to expand...
Billions. 32 of them IIRC.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,754
Love how flustered BBC presenters get when someone calls on of their guests out on their shit

 
B

Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,755
Exhibit Z of Lindsay Hoyle being pointless

Tory MP criticised after using 'outdated' racial slur in Commons (msn.com)
 

Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,756
Williamson has resigned another one to pay off
 
Reactions: wingy and shmmeee

JAM See

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2022
  • #23,757
Terry Gibson's perm said:
Williamson has resigned another one to pay off
Click to expand...
'Lord' Williamson in the NY's honours lists no doubt.
 
Reactions: Terry Gibson's perm
P

PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #23,758
So much for Sunak's government of unity and integrity. This clown show will not end until they are booted out.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #23,759
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Exhibit Z of Lindsay Hoyle being pointless

Tory MP criticised after using 'outdated' racial slur in Commons (msn.com)
Click to expand...
Nothing says global Britain like our elected representatives using racist slurs against Asians. Makes you proud.
 
B

Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #23,760
skybluetony176 said:
Nothing says global Britain like our elected representatives using racist slurs against Asians. Makes you proud.
Click to expand...

Can’t call a liar a liar though. Very naughty and worthy of being suspended from Parliament.
 
Reactions: Sky_Blue_Dreamer

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #23,761
Amazing what is going in in the states, republicans should be waltzing home but they may at best squeak home in house. Maga republicanism can't win in 2024

Sent from my SM-G991B using Tapatalk
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #23,762
Amazing what is going in in the states, republicans should be waltzing home but they may at best squeak home in house. Maga republicanism can't win in 2024

Sent from my SM-G991B using Tapatalk
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #23,763
David O'Day said:
Amazing what is going in in the states, republicans should be waltzing home but they may at best squeak home in house. Maga republicanism can't win in 2024

Sent from my SM-G991B using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

I think that Capitol Hill malarkey pissed off a lot of people.
No one who believes in democracy wants to see that shit no matter what their political hue.
 
Reactions: Sick Boy, Otis, PVA and 1 other person

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #23,764
clint van damme said:
I think that Capitol Hill malarkey pissed off a lot of people.
No one who believes in democracy wants to see that shit no matter what their political hue.
Click to expand...
Trump backing Republicans are doing far worse that ones who distanced themselves from him. Time the press left him to his piss stained dotage,
 
Reactions: Sky Blue Pete and Sky_Blue_Dreamer

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #23,765
Sunak is really, really, really shit

Sky Phone In levels of shit
 
Prev
  • 1
  • …
  • 677
  • 678
  • 679
  • 680
  • 681
  • …
  • 1495
Next
First Prev 679 of 1495 Next Last
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who are viewing this thread

  • Total: 18 (members: 1, guests: 17)
    Share:
    Facebook Twitter Reddit Pinterest Tumblr WhatsApp Email
    • Home
    • Forums
    • General Discussion
    • Off Topic Chat
    • Default Style
    • Contact us
    • Terms and rules
    • Privacy policy
    • Help
    • Home
    Community platform by XenForo® © 2010-2021 XenForo Ltd.
    Menu
    Log in

    Register

    • Home
    • Forums
      • New posts
      • Search forums
    • What's new
      • New posts
      • Latest activity
    • Members
      • Current visitors
    • Donate to the Season Ticket Fund
    X

    Privacy & Transparency

    We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

    • Personalized ads and content
    • Content measurement and audience insights

    Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

    X

    Privacy & Transparency

    We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

    • Personalized ads and content
    • Content measurement and audience insights

    Do you accept cookies and these technologies?