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stupot07

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,451
A quick scan through Twitter this morning and all the Tories are out in force accusing Labour of attacking Braverman because they don't want her to control boarders. Do they think people are stupid?

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Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,452
stupot07 said:
A quick scan through Twitter this morning and all the Tories are out in force accusing Labour of attacking Braverman because they don't want her to control boarders. Do they think people are stupid?

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Yes.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,453
stupot07 said:
A quick scan through Twitter this morning and all the Tories are out in force accusing Labour of attacking Braverman because they don't want her to control boarders. Do they think people are stupid?

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Unfortunately most probably aren’t aware of what’s been going on.
They’ll just revert to the usual Labour want uncontrolled immigration, trying to stop Brexit, North London elite and people will fall for it while thinking Sunak is a man of the people because he posed for some photos pretending to serve food in a pub once.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,454
Possibly not quite the defence they think it is

 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,455
I used to date a girl called Leaky Sue.
 
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Otis

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,456
skybluetony176 said:
I used to date a girl called Leaky Sue.
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Hope she had extra absorbent panty liners
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,457
chiefdave said:
Possibly not quite the defence they think it is

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FFS
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,458
Sick Boy said:
Unfortunately most probably aren’t aware of what’s been going on.
They’ll just revert to the usual Labour want uncontrolled immigration, trying to stop Brexit, North London elite and people will fall for it while thinking Sunak is a man of the people because he posed for some photos pretending to serve food in a pub once.
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The only chance the Tories have in the labour north seats they’ve won is to appeal to those voters in terms of tough immigration stance and to hope Starmer in the next two years makes some comment that suggests rejoining the EU
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,459
Otis said:
Hope she had extra absorbent panty liners
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Mattress liner.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,460
Grendel said:
The only chance the Tories have in the labour north seats they’ve won is to appeal to those voters in terms of tough immigration stance and to hope Starmer in the next two years makes some comment that suggests rejoining the EU
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Easy to debunk lies about Labour wanting unlimited immigration probably aren’t the best tactic mind
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,461
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Easy to debunk lies about Labour wanting unlimited immigration probably aren’t the best tactic mind
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Rwanda rhetoric is appealing to these people. Starmers response is what they will look at
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,462
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Easy to debunk lies about Labour wanting unlimited immigration probably aren’t the best tactic mind
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It's often perception that wins out, mind.

What I can't see working is any attempt to portray Labour as the elite compared to... Sunak. I mean, I know Johnson was pretty elitest, but somehow he could carry it off to an extent. Sunak though, he says and does and wears the wrong things to try that line of attack, surely, along with not having the charisma to do it!

He'd be better off going for policy arguments and competence really. That was what Truss was trying to do, with a couple of obvious flaws(!) but Sunak would surely have more traction there wrt his own public perception.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,463
chiefdave said:
Possibly not quite the defence they think it is

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Some civil servants who’ve been dismissed need an apology and reinstatement and compensation. Including personal cases I’ve been involved in. F’in disgrace
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,464
Grendel said:
Rwanda rhetoric is appealing to these people. Starmers response is what they will look at
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If it’s their best line of attack it’s unlikely to work.
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,465
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If it’s their best line of attack it’s unlikely to work.
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They've got nothing.

The fact they're still using 'but Corbyn' as an attack line against Labour says it all.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,466
PVA said:
They've got nothing.

The fact they're still using 'but Corbyn' as an attack line against the government says it all.
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The party of law and order lets back in ministers who break the ministerial code after a week because ‘she made a mistake and said sorry’. To make this particular mistake you have to override a warning that you are sending confidential information outside the government.

It was never a mistake-it was deliberate to precipitate the end of Truss.
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,467
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The party of law and order lets back in ministers who break the ministerial code after a week because ‘she made a mistake and said sorry’. To make this particular mistake you have to override a warning that you are sending confidential information outside the government.

It was never a mistake-it was deliberate to precipitate the end of Truss.
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And now the Johnson cult are briefing against Braverman and undermining Sunak.

Government of unity my arse.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,468
PVA said:
And now the Johnson cult are briefing against Braverman and undermining Sunak.

Government of unity my arse.
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I take it Johnson himself is going back to the Caribbean?
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,469
Grendel said:
Rwanda rhetoric is appealing to these people. Starmers response is what they will look at
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The 'send them all back to Africa' line isn't going to put food on the table or heat people's homes which is what they are going to be really concerned about this winter. It was never enough for the National Front to be elected and it won't be enough for this Government. I feel Starmer is cautious enough not to fall into traps.

'Getting Brexit done' appealed to nationalists and xenophobes at the time but now many people have much more important things to worry about. The irony is of course that their desire for Brexit is part of the reason they are now struggling.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,470
Grendel said:
Rwanda rhetoric is appealing to these people. Starmers response is what they will look at
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Immigration is nothing like the issue it was five-ten years ago. I think what will lose them the red wall votes is more likely to be losing the Johnsonian economics.

Cant be the Hang The Pedos and Fund The NHS Party if you don’t fund the NHS. These are people who voted Brexit for better jobs and more public spending. I think a lot of them see immigration as resolved now were out the EU.
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,471
Oh dear. Has Sunak misled the house on his first day in the job?


Suella Braverman is under pressure to answer fresh questions about her resignation last week as home secretary for breaching the ministerial code, after new details emerged that cast doubt on her and Rishi Sunak’s version of events.

Sources have told the Guardian that Braverman was challenged by the cabinet secretary, Simon Case, about the leaking of a sensitive document, rather than coming forward herself about what had happened.

A government insider said: “She only owned up to it when she was confronted with the evidence.”

It follows an intervention by the former chairman of the Conservative party Jake Berry, who said the issue was “really serious” and added: “As I understand it, the evidence was put to her and she accepted the evidence, rather than the other way round.”

The account appears to contradict what Sunak said during his first prime minister’s questions on Wednesday.

When he was justifying the reappointment of Braverman as home secretary just six days after her departure, he insisted: “She raised the matter and she accepted her mistake.”
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,472
Sky Blue Pete said:
Some civil servants who’ve been dismissed need an apology and reinstatement and compensation. Including personal cases I’ve been involved in. F’in disgrace
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Agree Pete, circulating porn around HMRC should be encouraged

PVA said:
Oh dear. Has Sunak misled the house on his first day in the job?


Suella Braverman is under pressure to answer fresh questions about her resignation last week as home secretary for breaching the ministerial code, after new details emerged that cast doubt on her and Rishi Sunak’s version of events.

Sources have told the Guardian that Braverman was challenged by the cabinet secretary, Simon Case, about the leaking of a sensitive document, rather than coming forward herself about what had happened.

A government insider said: “She only owned up to it when she was confronted with the evidence.”

It follows an intervention by the former chairman of the Conservative party Jake Berry, who said the issue was “really serious” and added: “As I understand it, the evidence was put to her and she accepted the evidence, rather than the other way round.”

The account appears to contradict what Sunak said during his first prime minister’s questions on Wednesday.

When he was justifying the reappointment of Braverman as home secretary just six days after her departure, he insisted: “She raised the matter and she accepted her mistake.”
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Think that’s a bit tenuous PVA. What’s more concerning for me is we once again have a PM who’s judgement is immediately questionable

How have the ERG (or whatever they’re called these days) right got such power over the party and it’s leadership ?! She should never have got the job back and it’s put Sunak on the back foot from day one. Bizarre choice although obviously part of some dodgy leadership dealings which just about sums up the party over the past 12 months. Let’s not worry about just getting the best, most capable people into the top jobs…god forbid
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,473
CCFCSteve said:
Agree Pete, circulating porn around HMRC should be encouraged



Think that’s a bit tenuous PVA. What’s more concerning for me is we once again have a PM who’s judgement is immediately questionable

How have the ERG (or whatever they’re called these days) right got such power over the party and it’s leadership ?! She should never have got the job back and it’s put Sunak on the back foot from day one. Bizarre choice although obviously part of some dodgy leadership dealings which just about sums up the party over the past 12 months. Let’s not worry about just getting the best, most capable people into the top jobs…god forbid
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It’s not just the ERG. She’s also a member of another Tory group who are ironically called “The Common Sense” group. There’s little doubt that she secured Sunak the PM position but old leaky Sue has such sway within the furthest right of the party she’s almost unsackable. He’ll have to at some point but that is probably the point he’ll lose his party. The Tories aren’t even fractured in two because the Boris loyalists clearly aren’t behind Sunak and leaky Sue is public enemy No.2 now, the ERG is even split hence they had to agree to disagree and back no one in the leadership contest, there’s still a number of pro Europeans in the party too amongst I’m sure many other knitting circles. I recon Suella is the only glue holding it together,once she’s gone I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect to see it implode. Early 2023 election would be my guess.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,474
CCFCSteve said:
Agree Pete, circulating porn around HMRC should be encouraged



Think that’s a bit tenuous PVA. What’s more concerning for me is we once again have a PM who’s judgement is immediately questionable

How have the ERG (or whatever they’re called these days) right got such power over the party and it’s leadership ?! She should never have got the job back and it’s put Sunak on the back foot from day one. Bizarre choice although obviously part of some dodgy leadership dealings which just about sums up the party over the past 12 months. Let’s not worry about just getting the best, most capable people into the top jobs…god forbid
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His number one concern was there being no member vote, so getting the likes of Braverman and Badenoch onboard by offering them ministerial roles was probably what was needed.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,475
CCFCSteve said:
Think that’s a bit tenuous PVA. What’s more concerning for me is we once again have a PM who’s judgement is immediately questionable

How have the ERG (or whatever they’re called these days) right got such power over the party and it’s leadership ?! She should never have got the job back and it’s put Sunak on the back foot from day one. Bizarre choice although obviously part of some dodgy leadership dealings which just about sums up the party over the past 12 months. Let’s not worry about just getting the best, most capable people into the top jobs…god forbid
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They do because of their support for Boris who in turn would still have won in a membership vote. Don't get their support and you'll end up putting it to people who would still give anything to sniff Johnson's farts
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,476
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The party of law and order lets back in ministers who break the ministerial code after a week because ‘she made a mistake and said sorry’. To make this particular mistake you have to override a warning that you are sending confidential information outside the government.

It was never a mistake-it was deliberate to precipitate the end of Truss.
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Not just that but the Home Secretary too
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,477
Sky Blue Pete said:
Not just that but the Home Secretary too
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We’ve had people sacked for looking up a postcode to send a birthday card. Xxxts
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,478
shmmeee said:
His number one concern was there being no member vote, so getting the likes of Braverman and Badenoch onboard by offering them ministerial roles was probably what was needed.
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Agreed. Hence the dodgy deals comment. The fact is there’s deals that could’ve been done without causing immediate pressure on Sunak/government, for example offering to bring back Bravermann in a future reshuffle in a different role or if he had to give her an immediate cabinet role, shove her elsewhere for a bit

As I’ve said before, it’s like they’ve got Death wish
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,479
shmmeee said:
Immigration is nothing like the issue it was five-ten years ago. I think what will lose them the red wall votes is more likely to be losing the Johnsonian economics.

Cant be the Hang The Pedos and Fund The NHS Party if you don’t fund the NHS. These are people who voted Brexit for better jobs and more public spending. I think a lot of them see immigration as resolved now were out the EU.
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A lot of who ?
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,480
Seems that after the government put the block on King Charles attending the COP27 summit Sunak has now pulled out. Good to see the new government taking climate change seriously.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,481
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
A lot of who ?
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2019 Tory voters
 
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  • Oct 27, 2022
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chiefdave said:
Seems that after the government put the block on King Charles attending the COP27 summit Sunak has now pulled out. Good to see the new government taking climate change seriously.
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Of all their failings this is the worst but it won't get much attention. They just pretended to care when we hosted COP. Since then they have shown complete contempt for the environment.
 

Ian1779

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,483
Another addition to the pile of shit that will never happen.
These absolute shysters will never provide the amount of funding required to make any kind of meaningful education policy change.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,484
Deleted member 9744 said:
Of all their failings this is the worst but it won't get much attention. They just pretended to care when we hosted COP. Since then they have shown complete contempt for the environment.
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It’s covered

 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Oct 27, 2022
  • #23,485
Will be interesting to see who attends from where. If it’s all the other world leaders it’s poor form and we could do worse than seeing if the King would attend.
 
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