Philosoraptor
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First call for Starmer to go on TV from the right of the party*.
*Moderate if listening to Schmmee.
*Moderate if listening to Schmmee.
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You smallist.
In fact you surprise me - I'm sure there must be an intersectionalist wing of the Labour party that is the voice for small people.
This works fine until you realise that they really like the Etonian and Oxford Classics graduate who randomly whacks the odd bit of Latin into his speeches. So it ain't that that bothers them.
Studies have actually shown height to be as big a barrier as race and gender. Massively disproportionate number of the tallest 1% are in very powerful jobs at executive level.
Yeah but they've probably grown a foot or so in a century.Yep, I was being serious when I said Sunak couldn't be PM for that reason!
The average male height in the US is 5'9. The last time they elected a president under 5'9 was 1897!
Now... who is the tallest man in the Labour party?...
But they also think their workmates are lazy bastards or that they would leave a burning building.
It’s deeper than any comment. It’s a guttural feeling that the working class aren’t liked by Labour activists and some MPs. It’s born out of social activism needing to make every problem sound huge to get support IMO.
It’s the sneering at the flag. The sneering at working class culture. The sneering at voters for voting how they voted.
That’s the activist left. The political establishment soft left isn’t much better, all patronising and maternal and knows what’s best.
Immigration was just a microcosm but a good case study. People said “I don’t like the pace of change in my community” (a perfectly normal human reaction seen around the world and not rooted in racism) Labour saw it as a defect that needed fixing in people “too racist” “too easily led by the media” “too stupid to understand how important immigrants are”.
Focus on every smaller groups at the exclusion of the majority. The problem with minority identity politics is by definition it doesn’t concern a majority of people.
The closest Labour have is Jess Phillips for not hating the working class. But instead she decided to hate 49% of the population instead (I don’t think that’s true but that’s what’s received).
The left are perfectly capable of pulling their head out of their arses, having a bit of humility, and seeing the upper class as the enemy not the bloke in the pub who said “blind spot” in front of a blind person or whatever.
We talk condescendingly about the Tories putting the working class against each other but then do it ourselves all the fucking time.
It’s not the fault of Momentum, they often represent younger people trying to engage in politics. You need to look at the middle class London centrist politicians that think they know what is best for Northern working class people.
I class myself as working class, come from parents who didn't own a property and had low paid jobs. Maybe as a home owner I don't fit into your criteria. A few years ago I was working night shifts stacking shelves to help myself be able to study and other personal circumstances. Many of the people in there fucking hated Corbyn. He was seen as unpatriotic, IRA sympathiser etc. He definitely cut through with the youth, singing his name at Glasto and all that stuff proved it. I would describe the working class support as polarised rather than huge.
The way the wind is blowing IS public opinion.Yep. Lie and just tell them whatever they want to hear. Judge the way the wind is blowing and follow that. It's what Johnson does every time.
No, youth. Fair enough I deviated from the point. Chalk up a point for yourself or something.Glastonbury, working class?!
On the fundamental issues, Boris Johnson speaks the language of the working class. Whom overwhelmingly supports Brexit and is generally socially conservative in these red wall seats.
Besides, Labour’s elite has also been overwhelmingly Oxbridge educated too. In relation to Corbyn, his entire career was in politics. Gone are the days where your Labour MPs who were like Dennis Skinner and actually worked a manual Labour job.
No, youth. Fair enough I deviated from the point. Chalk up a point for yourself or something.
I've worked on a factory shop floor all my working life, i work a 3 shift system, and I'm a member of a trade union, I class myself as working class.What are you classifying as working class? To me it’s people who are working in more precarious jobs and for lower remuneration and have insecure housing situations. They tend to be under 45 and support labour massively.
Yeah but they've probably grown a foot or so in a century.
Sad about Labour, very predictable .
As they say
Go woke , go broke
Nobody listens
I'm not sure, just watched Mandelson talking and I agree with him. I don't think it's a Starmer problem, although he's not an inspiring individual is he, let's be honest. Its the shadow of Corbyn. That bloke butchered the Labour party.
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All this talk of "winning back the working class vote" too. The working class are those earning less than £25k who don't own a home and are having to sell their labour to survive. What people are referring to are people who used to be working class but are now retired with mortgages paid off and living pretty on their pensions. If that's who you're aiming for then fine but working class support for Labour under Corbyn was huge, it doesn't matter if those working people live in a city and have an education, they are still renters and workers. Jettisoning them isn't going to work at all.
BUILD.A.COALITION
Tories doing well in early Scottish counting apparently.
That’s the important one. Yesterday’s vote will cause a lot of noise today but that will settle down...if Labour factions allow it to.
ps where did you hear that BSB, got a mole up there ?!
Crazy how your daughter who knows you so well would just come out with that stuff.I've worked on a factory shop floor all my working life, i work a 3 shift system, and I'm a member of a trade union, I class myself as working class.
And yet neither myself or any one of my colleagues who expressed an opinion voted for Corbyn.
When I expressed this to my Corbyn voting daughter, she said it was because we are all white, middleaged, racist, bnp supporting gammons (whatever that is)
Maybe that says more about the new age of labour supporters.
The silent Tories are out today. Let us know what makes them so attractive to you?11 years into a Tory Government............
Conservatives winning Councils.
Labour losing Councillors.
Tory sleaze.
Gove, Patel, Williamson, Hancock, all apparently hated and liabilities.
Yet Labour still lost Hartlepool
Let the Labour hand-wringing, infighting and backstabbing begin!
11 years into a Tory Government............
Conservatives winning Councils.
Labour losing Councillors.
Tory sleaze.
Gove, Patel, Williamson, Hancock, all apparently hated and liabilities.
Yet Labour still lost Hartlepool
Let the Labour hand-wringing, infighting and backstabbing begin!
Its systematic of the new age young labour voters apparently.Crazy how your daughter who knows you so well would just come out with that stuff.
Its systematic of the new age young labour voters apparently.
She also has never met or spoken to any of my colleagues, some of whome are young, some female, some non white, and yet she referred to them all in the same way.
It would appear that some labour voters carry an abundance of anger and hate.
I think you need to re-read my post.Nothing like smearing a whole group in the same way you dislike your colleagues being smeared
Is she fit though?
Did Grendel give you permission to post his video?
And what exactly did you have to do to make Grendel so happy?I filmed it myself at a sleepover so I can do what I want with it.
And what exactly did you have to do to make Grendel so happy?
And what exactly did you have to do to make Grendel so happy?
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