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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (44 Viewers)

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PVA

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,311
rob9872 said:
On my ballot paper I had to vote for a party not a person. Perhaps yours was different? Or is that only when Brown takes over from Blair and you like the result?
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Brown was the first change of prime minister in 10 years.

Sunak is the second change in a month.

Labour had a 4 point lead in the polls when Brown took over.

Conservatives are 30 odd points behind.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,312
rob9872 said:
On my ballot paper I had to vote for a party not a person. Perhaps yours was different? Or is that only when Brown takes over from Blair and you like the result?
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No you didn’t. You voted for a person who happened to tell you which party they belonged to. There is a chance you could have voted for a person with no party but couldn’t have voted for a party without a person. That’s PR.
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,313
PVA said:
Brown was the first change of prime minister in 10 years.

Sunak is the second change in a month.

Labour had a 4 point lead in the polls when Brown took over.

Conservatives are 30 odd points behind.
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which is totally irrelevant and nothing to do with the political system
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,314
Grendel said:
which is totally irrelevant and nothing to do with the political system
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Two prime ministers booted out in disgrace within the space of a few months is irrelevant? OK.
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,315
PVA said:
Two prime ministers booted out in disgrace within the space of a few months is irrelevant? OK.
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No you compared brown and said his justification there was only one change and also an opinion poll lead

If you think it’s a goer campaign to the labour MP in your area and ask for a law to be passed in parliament that triggers an election of opinion polls are a certain percentage in favour of the opposition at any point in time

go for it
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,316
PVA said:
Two prime ministers booted out in disgrace within the space of a few months is irrelevant? OK.
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oh and yes as the constitution stands it’s irrelevant
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,317
Grendel said:
oh and yes as the constitution stands it’s irrelevant
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I didn't say constitution demands an election so once again you've taken 2+2 and made 86 like you always do.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,318
I'm a lot happier with a parliamentary democracy electing Sunak as leader rather than abdicating the decision to the party's members, for sure.
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,319
PVA said:
Brown was the first change of prime minister in 10 years.

Sunak is the second change in a month.

Labour had a 4 point lead in the polls when Brown took over.

Conservatives are 30 odd points behind.
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oh sorry when you stated this I assume that you were stating there was a legitimate argument for a general election

You now agree there isn’t - good
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,320
Deleted member 5849 said:
I'm a lot happier with a parliamentary democracy electing Sunak as leader rather than abdicating the decision to the party's members, for sure.
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Party members should never be allowed to elect leaders as IDS Truss Corbyn and Edward Milliband prove
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,321
Grendel said:
oh sorry when you stated this I assume that you were stating there was a legitimate argument for a general election

You now agree there isn’t - good
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There is a legitimate argument for a general election. About 70% of the electorate agrees with me.

That still doesn't mean that constitution demands one.

You really do struggle with nuance don't you.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,322
Grendel said:
Party members should never be allowed to elect leaders as IDS Truss Corbyn and Edward Milliband prove
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…and Johnson.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,323
Deleted member 5849 said:
I'm a lot happier with a parliamentary democracy electing Sunak as leader rather than abdicating the decision to the party's members, for sure.
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What’s funny is hearing party members whining that they didn’t have a say. Err, yes you did. 6 weeks ago and you picked an ideological, incompetent, mentalists. You mentalists.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,324
Grendel said:
Party members should never be allowed to elect leaders as IDS Truss Corbyn and Edward Milliband prove
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Hmm, I'd actually say that Ed Milliband is maybe a bit harsh being lumped in with the others - he actually shows flair and ability now he's not constrained by the Spin Doctors. Lump him in the William Hague category as a talented politician who ended up in charge at the wrong time, and probably too early.

Nonetheless, when it's left to the MPs it's fair to say that whatever your politics, they do at least tend to elect an adult to be in charge of their party.
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,325
Appointing Braverman just days after she broke the ministerial code ffs.

I suppose it's to appease the headbangers on the right.


 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,326
PVA said:
Appointing Braverman just days after she broke the ministerial code ffs.

I suppose it's to appease the headbangers on the right.


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Outrageous really
 
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duffer

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,327
rob9872 said:
On my ballot paper I had to vote for a party not a person. Perhaps yours was different? Or is that only when Brown takes over from Blair and you like the result?
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I would happily vote for a constitution that required a general election if the ruling party changed their PM. Would you?

Also, I'd happily include in that constitution a binding ministerial code that meant anyone who brought their office into disrepute by, say, lying or committing a criminal offence could be removed immediately and barred from further office for a least a few years. Would you?
 
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duffer

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,328
Sky Blue Pete said:
Outrageous really
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It's the Tories mate. The party of law and order, of common decency, of fiscal responsibility, remember?

Now doff your hat, tug your forelock, and be on your way - it's not for the likes of you to question the likes of us.
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,329
PVA said:
There is a legitimate argument for a general election. About 70% of the electorate agrees with me.

That still doesn't mean that constitution demands one.

You really do struggle with nuance don't you.
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There isn’t. You struggle with reality.
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,330
Grendel said:
There isn’t. You struggle with reality.
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You certainly do if you think there is no reason for a general election at the moment. You're very much in the minority.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,331
Grendel said:
There isn’t. You struggle with reality.
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The reality is that the last two Prime Ministers have had disastrous records in office. What confidence can the country have in this one?
 

clint van damme

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,332
Deleted member 9744 said:
The reality is that the last two Prime Ministers have had disastrous records in office. What confidence can the country have in this one?
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Just the 2?
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,333
clint van damme said:
Just the 2?
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This year.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,334
PVA said:
You certainly do if you think there is no reason for a general election at the moment. You're very much in the minority.
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he normally is, he's a troll so just don't bite
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,335
rob9872 said:
On my ballot paper I had to vote for a party not a person. Perhaps yours was different? Or is that only when Brown takes over from Blair and you like the result?
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,336
clint van damme said:
Just the 2?
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Since the last election, which was the point.

Obviously the two before were terrible too, although by comparison with Johnson and Truss they don't look quite so bad now.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,337
rob9872 said:
On my ballot paper I had to vote for a party not a person. Perhaps yours was different? Or is that only when Brown takes over from Blair and you like the result?
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Oh dear
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 24, 2022
  • #23,338
Grendel said:
There isn’t. You struggle with reality.
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What mandate does the government have if it’s abandoning its manifesto?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #23,339
Grendel said:
There isn’t. You struggle with reality.
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You struggle with decency.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #23,340
Deleted member 5849 said:
Aye. Wants to write more books
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She's writing a Austen-style family saga about a naive MP who falls hopelessly in love with a unscrupolous colleague who swindles his way to the top and takes advantage of her.

It's called Liar and Liability.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #23,341
I think one of the bonus's in all this with any luck is that Jacob Rees-Mogg may be returning to the backbenches.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #23,342
My prediction for 2024:

Pitiful turnout and an effective re-run of the 2010 election with two sides pledging austerity "because all the money (that we are the sole issuer of) has run out".

I cannot see the huge Labour majority predicted currently but it should win back the 'red wall'.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #23,343

Breakingviews - Breakingviews: Delusions of grandeur are root of Britain’s chaos

The mess Britain is in can be partly explained by the fact that its politicians think it is more special than it really is. Prime Minister Liz Truss and her short-lived “Trussonomics” came hot on the heels of Brexit. Both are symptoms of a country that hasn’t fully come to terms with the loss of...
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #23,344
shmmeee said:

Breakingviews - Breakingviews: Delusions of grandeur are root of Britain’s chaos

The mess Britain is in can be partly explained by the fact that its politicians think it is more special than it really is. Prime Minister Liz Truss and her short-lived “Trussonomics” came hot on the heels of Brexit. Both are symptoms of a country that hasn’t fully come to terms with the loss of...
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That’s just them talking the country down!! Lol
It’s a huge problem. We have lots of Nigerians and Indians at our church who talk fondly of British influence around the world and I think we are great in lots of ways. Brexit and trusseconomics are focusing on the wrong things that go to making us great

Not forgetting our empire ability to be fuckwits we are still admired for our welcome and our just ness and our sense of fair play and our support for those less fortunate

Truss and Boris thinks we’re great for our warfare and our money. It’s a shame and a problem
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #23,345
She certainly found out who her friends are. Therese Coffey apparently and that’s it.
 
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