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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (15 Viewers)

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CCFCSteve

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,786
skybluetony176 said:
Coffey just spotted arriving at No.10. Maybe Truss needs some antibiotics.
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Truss called, the enforcer is currently kicking the shit out of Brady
 
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BodicoteSkyBlue

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,787
skybluetony176 said:
Graham Brady has just turned up at No. 10.
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Hopefully with the Grim Reaper a few steps behind.
 

clint van damme

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,788
shmmeee said:
Things Starmer says you agree with: likely just positioning for the crowd. Not happening.

Things Starmer says you disagree with: definitely happening and even if just playing politics he shouldn’t.
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I said I'll wait and see. I never said it won't happen.
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,789
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,790
CCFCSteve said:
Truss called, the enforcer is currently kicking the shit out of Brady
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Too Thelma and Louise
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,791
Hunt doesn’t want the top job, wants to remain as chancellor.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,792
SBT said:
Yeah I don’t really get the frustration at Labour not calling a VONC every week - strikes me as the political equivalent of demanding that Robins brings on Tavares every 10 minutes in the match thread.
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The government is on the ropes and is as weak as it's going to get. Why wait 2 years and allow them to recover?
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,793
Do we get a caretaker if she goes today? Surely they haven’t chosen a successor? PM Coffey?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,794
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The government is on the ropes and is as weak as it's going to get. Why wait 2 years and allow them to recover?
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A VONC wouldn’t pass.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,795
shmmeee said:
A VONC wouldn’t pass.
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Not the point
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,796
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Not the point
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Whos waiting two years then? As I say they passed a confidence vote yesterday and are likely to have got rid by the end of today, no time now.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,797
shmmeee said:
Whos waiting two years then? As I say they passed a confidence vote yesterday and are likely to have got rid by the end of today, no time now.
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VONC by proxy is not an actual VONC
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,798
Apparently Jake Berry has arrived now. Whatever’s happening must be serious.
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,799
shmmeee said:
Things Starmer says you agree with: likely just positioning for the crowd. Not happening.

Things Starmer says you disagree with: definitely happening and even if just playing politics he shouldn’t.
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isn't it more a case of people judging him from his track record?

the ten pledges he made in his leadership campaign and then largely went back on have stuck with a lot of people so now when he says something there's a section of people who aren't confident he will action the things he's promising
 

Ian1779

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,800
shmmeee said:
Do we get a caretaker if she goes today? Surely they haven’t chosen a successor? PM Coffey?
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Never in Roald Dahl’s wildest dreams would he have expected one of his characters would make it into Downing Street.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,801
Ian1779 said:
Never in Roald Dahl’s wildest dreams would he have expected one of his characters would make it into Downing Street.
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Kenneth Clarke?
 
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SBT

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,802
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The government is on the ropes and is as weak as it's going to get. Why wait 2 years and allow them to recover?
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Well that's literally my question. As others say, a VONC might not pass right now, which is significant. If it forces Tories to close ranks around the PM in order to avoid an election then that might be another reason to hold off.

Again, I'm guessing that just as scoring goals in football matches requires more sophisticated tactics than "bring on all your strikers as quickly as possible", there might be a strategy at play for the opposition beyond "call a confidence vote every time the government looks shaky". Doesn't stop people shouting for it from the sidelines though.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,803
SBT said:
Well that's literally my question. As others say, a VONC might not pass right now, which is significant. If it forces Tories to close ranks around the PM in order to avoid an election then that might be another reason to hold off.

Again, I'm guessing that just as scoring goals in football matches requires more sophisticated tactics than "bring on all your strikers as quickly as possible", there might be a strategy at play for the opposition beyond "call a confidence vote every time the government looks shaky". Doesn't stop people shouting for it from the sidelines though.
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I know you like your Tavares analogies but this is somewhat different.
 

Ian1779

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,804
SBT said:
Well that's literally my question. As others say, a VONC might not pass right now, which is significant. If it forces Tories to close ranks around the PM in order to avoid an election then that might be another reason to hold off.

Again, I'm guessing that just as scoring goals in football matches requires more sophisticated tactics than "bring on all your strikers as quickly as possible", there might be a strategy at play for the opposition beyond "call a confidence vote every time the government looks shaky". Doesn't stop people shouting for it from the sidelines though.
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Every MP that has called for her to go and then backs her in a VONC provides a pile of ammunition for Labour to use once we get to an election footing.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,805
shmmeee said:
likely to have got rid by the end of today
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seems increasingly unlikely she can ride it out so what happens next. surely they can't have another leadership election this soon but equally they can't just parachute someone in.

general election seems the obvious answer but are they going to call an election it seems pretty clear they're going to lose. maybe they will, I think there's an argument that handing over to Labour for the next few years while they sort themselves out and then run the next campaign on 'look at the mess Labour have made', as there's no way everything can be sorted in one term, is their best option at the moment.

all that of course is before you consider the dire lack of talent in the party or parliament as a whole.
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,806
Ian1779 said:
Every MP that has called for her to go and then backs her in a VONC provides a pile of ammunition for Labour to use once we get to an election footing.
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It worked well before - amazingly successful
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,807
Ian1779 said:
Every MP that has called for her to go and then backs her in a VONC provides a pile of ammunition for Labour to use once we get to an election footing.
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I thought the aim was to avoid waiting two years for an election?
 

Ian1779

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,808
SBT said:
I thought the aim was to avoid waiting two years for an election?
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It is - but doing one now won’t affect that timescale.
 

Ian1779

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,809
Grendel said:
It worked well before - amazingly successful
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Not helped by Labour shitting the bed on Brexit shortly afterwards.
 
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SBT

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,810
Ian1779 said:
It is - but doing one now won’t affect that timescale.
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Well presumably forcing Tory MPs into a position where they have to publicly back a Prime Minister they'd otherwise be happy to cut loose does affect the timescale quite a bit?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,811
SBT said:
I thought the aim was to avoid waiting two years for an election?
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The aim is to further crank up the political pressure on the government. Government approval is as low as it ever has been since 2010, there's open discontent in the party, the economy's in a mess. Forcing MPs to say they have confidence in the PM when this is going on makes any subsequent leadership challenge look even worse.

Go for the jugular
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,812
Downing Street statement in 10 minutes.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,813
SBT said:
Well presumably forcing Tory MPs into a position where they have to publicly back a Prime Minister they'd otherwise be happy to cut loose does affect the timescale quite a bit?
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Does it? The whole purpose would be surely to pin this group of MP’s to this wholly incompetent leader…. Just showing that their actions are only for their own ‘personal interest’ rather than in any national one.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,814
The lectern is out.
 

bezzer

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,815
skybluetony176 said:
Downing Street statement in 10 minutes.
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The podium is ready, Resignation coming up?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,816
shmmeee said:
This could be absolutely huge depending on how it’s done:

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To be honest it would be easier to nationalise the care sector rather than relying on myriad tiny SMEs to do it, they'll just fold rather than get on board with a national pay bargain. Even if they're not nationalised they are just not paid enough by commissioning organisations who have had their budgets to pay smashed in real terms over the past 12 years.

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wingy

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,817
skybluetony176 said:
The lectern is out.
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Off centre and sloping.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,818
fernandopartridge said:
To be honest it would be easier to nationalise the care sector rather than relying on myriad tiny SMEs to do it, they'll just fold rather than get on board with a national pay bargain. Even if they're not nationalised they are just not paid enough by commissioning organisations who have had their budgets to pay smashed in real terms over the past 12 years.

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
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Seemed ok when run by LA's.
 
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SBT

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,819
Ian1779 said:
Does it? The whole purpose would be surely to pin this group of MP’s to this wholly incompetent leader…. Just showing that their actions are only for their own ‘personal interest’ rather than in any national one.
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Well pinning this group of MPs to their leader ensures that an election doesn’t happen for another two years. Alternatively you let Tory MPs eat each other alive, keep your powder dry and see if they do your own dirty work for you (like, in say, 10 minutes from now).

If this really is such a foolproof political tactic, isn’t it surprising that it’s never been used in modern parliamentary history before?
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #22,820
Wouldn't be surprised if she played the mental health card to garner a bit of sympathy.

I'm so giddy for a general election
 
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