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shmmeee

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,296
Mail with its finger on the pulse of what matters to the ordinary man.

 
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JAM See

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,297
shmmeee said:
Mail with its finger on the pulse of what matters to the ordinary man.

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Interesting splash across the top.

I admit I pop over to mailonline occasionally to see what the enemy is thinking.

Are they planning to go behind a paywall, or are the paper (digital or not) and the website separate entities?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,298
Rumours there’s talks about a U turn on tax cuts in mini budget ! Truss and KK have shit themselves
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,299
CCFCSteve said:
Rumours there’s talks about a U turn on tax cuts in mini budget ! Truss and KK have shit themselves
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Whatever they do now looks like the sword of damocles hangs by a weaker thread. Stick, and the financial carnage continues, and nobody trusts them. Row back, and nobody trusts them as they admit they were catastrophically inept with our finances.
 
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BodicoteSkyBlue

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,300
Deleted member 5849 said:
It's a plan.

As an aside, what's Bodicote and surrounding area like to live in? It all seems quite... posh and expensive, but is there anywhere to avoid?!?
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You planning on moving? I’ve lived in Banbury area all my life (56yrs) it’s gone from a busy market town with large employers AP, Alcan, General Foods. It’s now mostly warehousing Amazon ect alongside the M40.
The town centre is mostly charity shops, coffee shops & Turkish barbers.
There’s large housing developments on just about every exit route out of Banbury, 1000’s of new homes being built, yet the hospital is slowly being run down.
All the surrounding villages are nice & you’re right they do have their posh & expensive parts.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,301
BodicoteSkyBlue said:
You planning on moving? I’ve lived in Banbury area all my life (56yrs) it’s gone from a busy market town with large employers AP, Alcan, General Foods. It’s now mostly warehousing Amazon ect alongside the M40.
The town centre is mostly charity shops, coffee shops & Turkish barbers.
There’s large housing developments on just about every exit route out of Banbury, 1000’s of new homes being built, yet the hospital is slowly being run down.
All the surrounding villages are nice & you’re right they do have their posh & expensive parts.
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Yep, wife has a job in Oxford, and living on the outskirts of Coventry is too far to travel. Original plan was get married, move house etc, but Covid slowed it down so we seemed to find ourselves justs staying here but, now she has to go in four days a week, time to sort it out really. Ideal was probably around Fenny Compton area, so north of Banbury, more accessible to parents and my job etc but close enough for Banbury station to Oxford. As far as I can tell from a quick scout, that side isn't too bad, but Northend looks a bit ropey...

Main problem is she wants a house in the country, with a garden, with parking, not on an estate... for an affordable price.

Went through some of the villages last weekend to scout. Adderbury and Deddington looked nice... the house prices less so!
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,302
Deleted member 5849 said:
Whatever they do now looks like the sword of damocles hangs by a weaker thread. Stick, and the financial carnage continues, and nobody trusts them. Row back, and nobody trusts them as they admit they were catastrophically inept with our finances.
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Shes absolutely snookered herself. All of Boris’ pretend everything’s OK and bluster through but none of the charm or humour. The half the party who supports her only wants her there to do the mental shit and the other half, the public, and the markets will eat her alive if she does.

Even if they put Rishi or Mordaunt in without consulting the members they’d only get the market back onside at best and for a lot of stuff the damage is done in terms of public perception.

I’ve been a Labour supporter for too long to not think we might fuck it from here, but I can’t see any way out of this that doesn’t end with two years of absolute chaos in government.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,303
shmmeee said:
I’ve been a Labour supporter for too long to not think we might fuck it from here, but I can’t see any way out of this that doesn’t end with two years of absolute chaos in government.
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Being anti-Tory I'm also probably not best placed to consider really but... I can't see how this ends well for them at the next election. Only thing that might save them is Lib Dems still not trusted after their Nick Clegg capitulation, and a perception that Labour are run by metropolitan out of touch elites... and I guess some local MPs would hang on in there because they've been decent MPs, regardless of party, and some places would elect Putin if he had a blue rosette.

But... I can't see how presenting yet another leader as a fresh start looks trustworthy. If you were Sunak, would you even want the job now, or wait until after the crushing election defeat to come back?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,304
BodicoteSkyBlue said:
If I was a Tory I think I might consider cutting my loses, ditch Truss call a GE & let Labour inherit all this financial shit,Brexit,war in Ukraine & numerous strikes.
Then dust off the Labour isn’t working posters & wait it out.
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From their point of view they need to go into opposition to decide what they represent and the direction they're going to go in - I could see someone like Gove taking over as leader.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,305
Sick Boy said:
From their point of view they need to go into opposition to decide what they represent and the direction they're going to go in - I could see someone like Gove taking over as leader.
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A white wash loss is a win win for the Tories. It either gives them the opportunity to morph into this Britannia Unchained cult the current cabinet is and enter political oblivion, or it gives them the opportunity for a clean sweep and reinvent themselves as the Tory party they used to be with the fruit loops on the back benches and the more sensible Tories front of shop instead of front to back.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,306
skybluetony176 said:
A white wash loss is a win win for the Tories. It either gives them the opportunity to morph into this Britannia Unchained cult the current cabinet is and enter political oblivion, or it gives them the opportunity for a clean sweep and reinvent themselves as the Tory party they used to be with the fruit loops on the back benches and the more sensible Tories front of shop instead of front to back.
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The problem they have is that they focused too much on and got consumed in chasing those who'd vote for someone like Farage. I'm sure I read that their membership demographics had changed somewhat since Brexit and the cult of Al.
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,307
Call an election now, Labour win and have to deal with the fallout. Then in 4 years time get back in running on 'look what a mess Labour made of everything'.
 
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Otis

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,308
chiefdave said:
Call an election now, Labour win and have to deal with the fallout. Then in 4 years time get back in running on 'look what a mess Labour made of everything'.
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Exactly this and it would work I'm sure.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,309
shmmeee said:
Shes absolutely snookered herself. All of Boris’ pretend everything’s OK and bluster through but none of the charm or humour. The half the party who supports her only wants her there to do the mental shit and the other half, the public, and the markets will eat her alive if she does.

Even if they put Rishi or Mordaunt in without consulting the members they’d only get the market back onside at best and for a lot of stuff the damage is done in terms of public perception.

I’ve been a Labour supporter for too long to not think we might fuck it from here, but I can’t see any way out of this that doesn’t end with two years of absolute chaos in government.
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Time for votes of no confidence as often as possible. Force the Tory MPs to keep defending the indefensible
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,310
JAM See said:
Interesting splash across the top.

I admit I pop over to mailonline occasionally to see what the enemy is thinking.

Are they planning to go behind a paywall, or are the paper (digital or not) and the website separate entities?
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I'm pretty sure the paper and the website are separate.
 
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JAM See

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,311
shmmeee said:
Shes absolutely snookered herself. All of Boris’ pretend everything’s OK and bluster through but none of the charm or humour. The half the party who supports her only wants her there to do the mental shit and the other half, the public, and the markets will eat her alive if she does.

Even if they put Rishi or Mordaunt in without consulting the members they’d only get the market back onside at best and for a lot of stuff the damage is done in terms of public perception.

I’ve been a Labour supporter for too long to not think we might fuck it from here, but I can’t see any way out of this that doesn’t end with two years of absolute chaos in government.
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You and me both mate.

We can't do a Milan 2005 from here can we?
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,312
JAM See said:
You and me both mate.

We can't do a Milan 2005 from here can we?
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I reckon Labour will get in but it'll be a hung parliament.
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,313
Sick Boy said:
I reckon Labour will get in but it'll be a hung parliament.
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If the election were held tomorrow then it'd be a bloodbath and a huge Labour majority.

In 2 years time who knows for certain, but I still think it'll be a comfortable Labour majority.

Tories are too far gone now.
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,314
PVA said:
If the election were held tomorrow then it'd be a bloodbath and a huge Labour majority.

In 2 years time who knows for certain, but I still think it'll be a comfortable Labour majority.

Tories are too far gone now.
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It does have that feel of the mid 90s when there was suddenly nothing Major could do to win the next election.
 

JAM See

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,315
Sick Boy said:
I reckon Labour will get in but it'll be a hung parliament.
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Bollocks.

I'm channeling '97, but fearing a Devon Loch (I can't help it, like @shmmeee ).
 
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Ian1779

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,316
JAM See said:
Bollocks.

I'm channeling '97, but fearing a Devon Loch (I can't help it, like @shmmeee ).
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A huge Labour majority is going to be much harder given they haven’t got the luxury of a 50 seat boost in Scotland.

If they get a majority it won’t be massive.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,317
Been listening to a few political podcasts in the last week and it sounds as though the tory party conference was a disaster.
A lot of MPs didn't even attend which is apparently unprecedented.
 

JAM See

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,318
Ian1779 said:
A huge Labour majority is going to be much harder given they haven’t got the luxury of a 50 seat boost in Scotland.

If they get a majority it won’t be massive.
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As long as they don't do a Jean van de Velde, it'll do me.

(I know, I'm pushing the sporting metaphors a bit too much now).
 
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JAM See

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,319
clint van damme said:
Been listening to a few political podcasts in the last week and it sounds as though the tory party conference was a disaster.
A lot of MPs didn't even attend which is apparently unprecedented.
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They will retcon it and blame the unions for the train strike on the last day (Wednesday).

Trust me, they will.
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,320
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,321
shmmeee said:
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More unpopular than this?

 

JAM See

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,322
Brighton Sky Blue said:
More unpopular than this?

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For fuck's sake.

Do we need to update Godwin's law?

Let it go!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,323
JAM See said:
For fuck's sake.

Do we need to update Godwin's law?

Let it go!
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It was light humour, chief
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,324
Brighton Sky Blue said:
More unpopular than this?

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If you fancy a laugh, have a look down this list of Tories predicted to lose their seat on these numbers. All your favourites are there!

Regression Poll September 2022

www.electoralcalculus.co.uk
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,325
Brighton Sky Blue said:
More unpopular than this?

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Also I know you’re joking, but still not quite:

Support for Jeremy Corbyn's Labour plummets to lowest level in polling history

A YouGov poll put Labour on just 18% as pressure grows on Corbyn to back staying in the EU.
www.businessinsider.com
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,326
shmmeee said:
If you fancy a laugh, have a look down this list of Tories predicted to lose their seat on these numbers. All your favourites are there!

Regression Poll September 2022

www.electoralcalculus.co.uk
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Christ, both Worthing constituencies are there. Those have been Tory since the year dot and are basically pensioner central
 
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Seaside-Skyblue

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,327
David O'Day said:
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It's the robot that got my attention. Creepy.

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David O'Day

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  • Oct 13, 2022
  • #22,328
 

duffer

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #22,329
Seaside-Skyblue said:
It's the robot that got my attention. Creepy.

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Ah, at first I thought that was Liz Truss in a wig, but then I realised it was way too life-like.
 
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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #22,330
shmmeee said:
If you fancy a laugh, have a look down this list of Tories predicted to lose their seat on these numbers. All your favourites are there!

Regression Poll September 2022

www.electoralcalculus.co.uk
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Jeremy Wright for leader then
 
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