How about starting, by trying to actually appeal to the electorate. That might be a good start!
Hardly jumping in, your comments re not voting labour exactly back up my points made earlier.At local level it was because the Green councillors had done a raft of tangible things that were positive for the area and gave specific actions they would do if elected. The Labour candidates just said they were Corbynistas and gave more vague actions if elected.
Maybe don’t jump in with two feet next time
Hardly jumping in, your comments re not voting labour exactly back up my points made earlier.
Respect for voting with your head rather than just following some notion of party loyalty.
No one will vote for a bunch of condescending arseholes who hate you and are constantly negative.
BINGO!Green policy is popular. That’s why the Tories had to pretend they cared. Immigration concerns are way down.
It’s the basics of getting elected and none of it is anti Labour values:
- Tough on crime
- Fund the NHS/Police/Schools
- Love the country and its people
None of that requires jettisoning left wing politics, but sadly in 2021 it means distancing yourself from a lot of “left wing” people.
No one will vote for a bunch of condescending arseholes who hate you and are constantly negative.
BINGO!
I tell you what, Labour don't need to do a whole lot of user forums to find out why they're hated, and how they could be loved. I suspect schmmeee could give them everything they need to understand on a side of A4.
I tell you what, Labour don't need to do a whole lot of user forums to find out why they're hated, and how they could be loved. I suspect schmmeee could give them everything they need to understand on a side of A4.
People seem to be happy to vote for the Tories that labelled them a bunch of lazy bastards. Or lacking the common sense to escape a burning building.No one will vote for a bunch of condescending arseholes who hate you and are constantly negative.
Green policy is popular. That’s why the Tories had to pretend they cared. Immigration concerns are way down.
It’s the basics of getting elected and none of it is anti Labour values:
- Tough on crime
- Fund the NHS/Police/Schools
- Love the country and its people
None of that requires jettisoning left wing politics, but sadly in 2021 it means distancing yourself from a lot of “left wing” people.
No one will vote for a bunch of condescending arseholes who hate you and are constantly negative.
The Tories didnt have to fight anything to winRubbish - 2017 happened because spent its entire time just saying what it’s vision was, and little to no time badmouthing the opposition. Which conversely is why the Tory campaign was so shit. All they did was badmouth the competition and offered none of their own ideas.
Fucking glory supporter.Fucking love the tories.
The Tories didnt have to fight anything to win
If you remember, Boris completely disappeared and refused to debate publicly or even appear on tv at one stage.
It was as if his advisers told him to keep quiet and let Corbyn win the election for you!
We’re not talking about the same election here. Tories won in 2019 the minute they decided to honour the Brexit vote and Lab/LD didn’t. It wasn’t even a contest.The Tories didnt have to fight anything to win
If you remember, Boris completely disappeared and refused to debate publicly or even appear on tv at one stage.
It was as if his advisers told him to keep quiet and let Corbyn win the election for you!
Wasn't expecting Labour to come storming back in this election but its shaping up far worse for them than I could have possibly imagined. You can't blame the Brexit Party vote splitting or vaccine bounce when you're haemorrhaging voters to the Lib Dems and Greens.
Hopefully Labour will now take a step back and have a real look at how they become an effective opposition rather than blaming everything on Corbyn.
I think that's far too simplistic an outlook.We’re not talking about the same election here. Tories won in 2019 the minute they decided to honour the Brexit vote and Lab/LD didn’t. It wasn’t even a contest.
Wasn't expecting Labour to come storming back in this election but its shaping up far worse for them than I could have possibly imagined. You can't blame the Brexit Party vote splitting or vaccine bounce when you're haemorrhaging voters to the Lib Dems and Greens.
Hopefully Labour will now take a step back and have a real look at how they become an effective opposition rather than blaming everything on Corbyn.
Well if it’s elect a stand up comedian as leader we’re in good company. If that’s really all it is let’s get Frankie Boyle on the line
Allegedly. He has denied it.The guy that is PM said he would let bodies pile high and still comes up smelling of roses.
This is going to take a while to unpick.
You only have to look at where the remain and leave vote was over the country. Remain vote largely contained to big cities and metropolitan areas and the South. And when it came down to it Labour’s former red wall does not fit in with this breakdown. And that’s why it fell so spectacularly.I think that's far too simplistic an outlook.
The referendum was incredibly close, there were many remainers who went on and voted against labour.
If the election was purely down to Brexit, it would never od delivered an 80 seat majority.
I think it's the case that 'lovable boris' does carry some voters. But I think that to constantly ply the theme that voters are suckers does little in address the main issue, that the main opposition is unelectable. The problem for KS and Labour is that momentum is heavily entrenched and holds many seats of power, including many standing MPs. It will take years to unwind that, if possible.
Looks like a Labour civil war has been declared on Radio 4 and we've got three days of electon results to go.
Green policy is popular. That’s why the Tories had to pretend they cared. Immigration concerns are way down.
It’s the basics of getting elected and none of it is anti Labour values:
- Tough on crime
- Fund the NHS/Police/Schools
- Love the country and its people
None of that requires jettisoning left wing politics, but sadly in 2021 it means distancing yourself from a lot of “left wing” people.
No one will vote for a bunch of condescending arseholes who hate you and are constantly negative.
That's the most appalling thing really, having no clue who you're actually voting for.We had 3 votes where I was yesterday. I voted for 2 Lab councillors and 1 Green. Not one single party sent any literature about the local elections, which is surprising considering Northamptonshire were voting for a completely new set of councillors since the old one was shut down. I don’t know if that complete lack of effort was replicated elsewhere.
People seem to be happy to vote for the Tories that labelled them a bunch of lazy bastards. Or lacking the common sense to escape a burning building.
I'm not sure what it is tbf, I'm just hoping this is the equivalent of when City dropped into league 2. Bottoming out moment.
Boris lad. Rolling out the gun ships, that'll learn 'em. Tank top wearing bum boys, lol, he says what he thinks. Top shagger.Look in the Cabinet and tell me what’s so personally appealing about the individuals in it. What is it about Gavin Williamson and Matt Hancock that turns on the voters? I voted for Corbyn as leader before, I hated him not long before the election. Evo summed it up, it’s all about personality, not policies, not substantive anything.
Just ‘he seems alright’
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