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Ian1779

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,596
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Why should I give equal consideration to a criminal government sending the economy down the toilet?
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It’s like saying you should equal consideration to a flat earther and an astronomer.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,597
Ian1779 said:
It’s like saying you should equal consideration to a flat earther and an astronomer.
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As much as I don’t like him there is no doubt in my mind that Starmer would be a more competent PM than his Tory counterparts. That’s the bar, it’s low but he crosses it
 
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clint van damme

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,598
Brighton Sky Blue said:
As much as I don’t like him there is no doubt in my mind that Starmer would be a more competent PM than his Tory counterparts. That’s the bar, it’s low but he crosses it
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Truss and Johnson have done more to convince me to vote for Starmer than Starmer has, and I'm still not totally convinced.
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,599
Car crash stuff


 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,600
clint van damme said:
Truss and Johnson have done more to convince me to vote for Starmer than Starmer has, and I'm still not totally convinced.
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He won’t break the law
He can’t possibly cause more economic damage
He opposes fracking

That’ll do. I just want the Tories out
 
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Otis

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,601
skybluetony176 said:
That’s not true. I’ve admitted I’m open to vote both ways at the next GE. It’s either Lib Dem or Labour. Whoever has the best chance of getting my "sitting" Tory MP out.
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Did you miss a H there at all by any chance, Tony?
 
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clint van damme

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,602
Brighton Sky Blue said:
He won’t break the law
He can’t possibly cause more economic damage
He opposes fracking

That’ll do. I just want the Tories out
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I heard a lady being interviewed on the radio the other day from a group called something like nannas against fracking.
She was very impressive and took the pro fracking lobbyist apart. I'd love to see her up against Truss, she would absolutely annihilate her.
 

JAM See

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,603
skybluetony176 said:
We’re back to the point Emily Matis was making in her resent lecture. If you can find 50 economists who say something is a bad idea and only one who says it’s a good idea to portray the opposing opinions as equal opinions is a false equivalence because it doesn’t reflect how out of kilter the one opinion is from the 50. Okay that example was on a different subject but it isn’t surprising that the one economist anyone can find to say anything good about the mini budget also happens to be the one economist that they could find to say the other thing was a good idea. As it happens.
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I'll set up a poll.

Who's done better for CCFC? Dion Dublin or Craig Bellamy?

I shall then vote for Bellamy myself.

Come the BBC debate about the subject, I will be on the telly, 'for balance'

I suspect this is how it works sometimes. Be contrary, get noticed.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,604
clint van damme said:
I heard a lady being interviewed on the radio the other day from a group called something like nannas against fracking.
She was very impressive and took the pro fracking lobbyist apart. I'd love to see her up against Truss, she would absolutely annihilate her.
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I teach how fracking works to GCSE students, including case studies of what’s happened in the USA already. Most were baffled we were even considering it never mind going ahead.

Would fancy their chances of debunking Mogg on the topic
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,605
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I teach how fracking works to GCSE students, including case studies of what’s happened in the USA already. Most were baffled we were even considering it never mind going ahead.

Would fancy their chances of debunking Mogg on the topic
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Ah, but you're a lefty commie striking stinking teacher.

You're part of the problem.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,606
JAM See said:
I'll set up a poll.

Who's done better for CCFC? Dion Dublin or Craig Bellamy?

I shall then vote for Bellamy myself.

Come the BBC debate about the subject, I will be on the telly, 'for balance'

I suspect this is how it works sometimes. Be contrary, get noticed.
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I think with this particular economist it’s more a case of allowing his personal ideology overrule his intellect and schooling on the subjects.
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,607
Any other leader would be twenty points ah… oh

 
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Ian1779

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,608
shmmeee said:
Any other leader would be twenty points ah… oh

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Just don’t fuck it from here lads.
 

Ian1779

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,609
Seat breakdown is a bit mental though….

 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,610
Ian1779 said:
Just don’t fuck it from here lads.
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33 points. I can’t even. It’ll be nowhere near that eventually, but mental it’s there even once.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,611
Ian1779 said:
Seat breakdown is a bit mental though….

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SNP official opposition. The heads exploding on the right would rival the NYE fireworks.
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,612
33 points


 
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SBT

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,613
shmmeee said:
SNP official opposition. The heads exploding on the right would rival the NYE fireworks.
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Starmer vs Blackford at PMQs would surely have to be moved to primetime.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,614
shmmeee said:
Any other leader would be twenty points ah… oh

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Is that including or excluding the ‘Don’t Know’ Party which had performed strongly in previous polls?
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,615
This is weirdly good news for the Tories. They seriously need a good clear out of the moronic, cultist, fundamentals they’ve allowed to take over the parliamentary party, not that the membership is much better. It’s an opportunity to start as a clean slate, reintroduce some intellectuals back into the party. Their biggest issue is going to be finding someone to lead what will be left of the parliamentary party, they’re already down to pound shop Ian D Smith’s and David Davies type. I’m really struggling to think of a single MP serving now let alone after a cull of a GE who you would say has any notable leadership qualities, I mean they’ve just decided Liz Truss is the best they have to offer. They can only be hoping that Sunak or maybe Hunt survive the next GE otherwise Desmond Swayne or Nadine Dorries might end up as leader of the opposition.
 

Ian1779

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,616
skybluetony176 said:
This is weirdly good news for the Tories. They seriously need a good clear out of the moronic, cultist, fundamentals they’ve allowed to take over the parliamentary party, not that the membership is much better. It’s an opportunity to start as a clean slate, reintroduce some intellectuals back into the party. Their biggest issue is going to be finding someone to lead what will be left of the parliamentary party, they’re already down to pound shop Ian D Smith’s and David Davies type. I’m really struggling to think of a single MP serving now let alone after a cull of a GE who you would say has any notable leadership qualities, I mean they’ve just decided Liz Truss is the best they have to offer. They can only be hoping that Sunak or maybe Hunt survive the next GE otherwise Desmond Swayne or Nadine Dorries might end up as leader of the opposition.
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I think you’ll find Ian Blackford will be leader of the Opposition.
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,617
Ian1779 said:
I think you’ll find Ian Blackford will be leader of the Opposition.
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Shall we have a wager on that
 

David O'Day

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,618

This seat map seems more realistic but it's still fuck me the tories are the size of the prime era lib dems

also Labour are over 20% ahead on todays survation poll
 
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rob9872

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,619
If this continues there'll be a hell of a good price on the prime minister after the next GE, but the odds don't yet reflect that optimism. Currently only 4/6 Starmer 2/1 Truss best available. Tempted to get cover on Starmer now and think Truss could go 4s or 5s soon and get stuck into that. We've all seen polls get it widely wrong and could be a very profitable free hit.
 

David O'Day

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,620
Here's the Survation poll

 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,621
rob9872 said:
If this continues there'll be a hell of a good price on the prime minister after the next GE, but the odds don't yet reflect that optimism. Currently only 4/6 Starmer 2/1 Truss best available. Tempted to get cover on Starmer now and think Truss could go 4s or 5s soon and get stuck into that. We've all seen polls get it widely wrong and could be a very profitable free hit.
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How much is Johnson?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,622
David O'Day said:

This seat map seems more realistic but it's still fuck me the tories are the size of the prime era lib dems

also Labour are over 20% ahead on todays survation poll
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I think I read something earlier saying that survation have confirmed that 80% of the poll was taken last week before the mini budget so not a true reflection of feelings this week.
 

rob9872

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,623
Deleted member 5849 said:
How much is Johnson?
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3rd fav 35/1

*Assuming you meant Boris and not Ben or Michael
 
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  • Sep 29, 2022
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rob9872 said:
3rd fav 35/1
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There's your money, then.
 

David O'Day

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,625
skybluetony176 said:
I think I read something earlier saying that survation have confirmed that 80% of the poll was taken last week before the mini budget so not a true reflection of feelings this week.
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survation fieldwork day was all today a per the data tables

still massive lead for their methodolgy
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,626
Deleted member 5849 said:
There's your money, then.
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He'd need a new safer seat for a start I think.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,627
David O'Day said:
survation fieldwork day was all today a per the data tables

still massive lead for their methodolgy
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Must have been a different pollster
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,628
Probably didn’t want anyone picking The End by the Doors

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,629
Explains why we'll definitely have no election-though Labour should pitch a no confidence vote anyway I reckon
 

David O'Day

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  • Sep 29, 2022
  • #21,630
Curtis still is full of poor takes but he is right about the pure numbers and this is worse for the Tories

 
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