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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,071
Philosorapter said:
I would go further, it's the sales team. Would you buy a product or service off a provider who have shown a complete disdain for their colleagues?

If they treat their colleagues like this, imagine what they will be like when you buy their product or service.

As always, the dangers are usually not in the glossy pamphlet which says everything is great, buy me.
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There are at least some on the front bench who are worth their position. But the head honcho has Southgate vibes over him
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,072
Brighton Sky Blue said:
There are at least some on the front bench who are worth their position. But the head honcho has Southgate vibes over him
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Yes, I wouldn't bring the yard stick to everyone. There is always an air of toxicity over large political parties, with the Tories having to take emergency measures recently.

Latest polling in Scotland suggest the Tories are going to lose all their seats, whilst Labour doubles their seats with their magnificent recent successes to a whopping two seats.

For Labour to be like this in Scotland just shows how out of touch Labour really is to the common person.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,073
Philosorapter said:
Yes, I wouldn't bring the yard stick to everyone. There is always an air of toxicity over large political parties, with the Tories having to take emergency measures recently.

Latest polling in Scotland suggest the Tories are going to lose all their seats, whilst Labour doubles their seats with their magnificent recent successes to a whopping two seats.

For Labour to be like this in Scotland just shows how out of touch Labour really is to the common person.
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The leader yes, but still a good number of front and backbench MPs worth their salt. In a two party system it must be the lesser evil though and the Tories just have to be evicted. If locally I can get away with not voting for them though then I will
 
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Ian1779

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,074
Philosorapter said:
Yes, I wouldn't bring the yard stick to everyone. There is always an air of toxicity over large political parties, with the Tories having to take emergency measures recently.

Latest polling in Scotland suggest the Tories are going to lose all their seats, whilst Labour doubles their seats with their magnificent recent successes to a whopping two seats.

For Labour to be like this in Scotland just shows how out of touch Labour really is to the common person.
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They fucked it with their referendum stance by in essence colluding with the Tories and they will never win it back
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,075
Ian1779 said:
They fucked it with their referendum stance by in essence colluding with the Tories and they will never win it back
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The way the Tories got back into power was to portray an image of trying to detoxify the party. Until Labour does this, then there's just going to be the choice between Ebola or swine flu for the electorate in England and elsewhere.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,076
Philosorapter said:
The way the Tories got back into power was to portray an image of trying to detoxify the party. Until Labour does this, then there's just going to be the choice between Ebola or swine flu for the electorate in England and elsewhere.
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I guess they'd say that's what things like evicting Corbyn from the party, waving more union flags and now this singing the national anthem at party conference are about.
 

Ian1779

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,077
Philosorapter said:
The way the Tories got back into power was to portray an image of trying to detoxify the party. Until Labour does this, then there's just going to be the choice between Ebola or swine flu for the electorate in England and elsewhere.
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How do you define detoxify? I’d say you need to get rid of careeerist shysters just in it for their own ends.
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,078
Philosorapter said:
Until Labour does this, then there's just going to be the choice between Ebola or swine flu for the electorate in England and elsewhere.
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You may not be being 100% serious, but I'm sorry this is just ridiculous.

As much as the current iteration of Labour may not be quite as you wish it to be, it's just absurd to suggest they're even remotely as bad as the Tories unless you've been living under a rock for the last 12 years. The last 3 in particular.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,079
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I guess they'd say that's what things like evicting Corbyn from the party, waving more union flags and now this singing the national anthem at party conference are about.
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Sounds a bit like 'Triumph of the Will.'

Ian1779 said:
How do you define detoxify? I’d say you need to get rid of careeerist shysters just in it for their own ends.
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Fully agree.

PVA said:
You may not be being 100% serious, but I'm sorry this is just ridiculous.

As much as the current iteration of Labour may not be quite as you wish it to be, it's just absurd to suggest they're even remotely as bad as the Tories unless you've been living under a rock for the last 12 years. The last 3 in particular.
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Yet they have stayed in opposition. There must be a reason for this.
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,080
Philosorapter said:
Yet they have stayed in opposition. There must be a reason for this.
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I said current iteration.

Theast iteration was indeed how you described it for many people.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,081
Neo fascists set to win the Italian election
 

Ian1779

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,082
Philosorapter said:
Sounds a bit like 'Triumph of the Will.'



Fully agree.



Yet they have stayed in opposition. There must be a reason for this.
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The Tories have done a job convincing a proportion of the electorate that every thing they have fucked up over the last decade is the fault of immigrants/benefit seekers/foreigners/the EU - you could literally take your pick.
The long term solution is to show how much bollocks this is - but how you do that is anyones guess. In the meantime I’m not sure how Labour changes this narrative, but I’m not sure their approach of be less shit than the Tories works that well.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,083
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Neo fascists set to win the Italian election
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They can join this lot.

Sweden election: How an ex neo-Nazi movement became kingmakers

A long-time pariah, the Sweden Democrats are now the country's second-largest party.
www.bbc.co.uk

Right-wingers et al. claiming to be moderates, where have I heard that before?

Thank goodness we have left this political block.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,084
Ian1779 said:
but I’m not sure their approach of be less shit than the Tories works that well.
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Again, fully agree with all your posting.

It will disenfranchise more people from politics and bring more apathy from the public.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,085
It’s like 2015-19 never happened in here.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,086
shmmeee said:
It’s like 2015-19 never happened in here.
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Says the 2017 denier
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,087
Ian1779 said:
Says the 2017 denier
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I don’t deny that we lost the 2017 election with a host of backwinds.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #21,088
Starting to look dodgier than Boris

Liz Truss ‘promised chief of staff next Tory election campaign in exchange for No 10 job’

Exclusive: Senior Conservatives warn ‘quid pro quo’ arrangement with Mark Fullbrook spells ‘electoral doom’
www.theguardian.com
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 26, 2022
  • #21,089
A record low against the dollar. Congratulations Tory membership
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 26, 2022
  • #21,090
So with the pund slumping, do you double down on the chaos, or end up retreating in a humiliating way?

I can guess which will happen.
 

SIR ERNIE

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  • Sep 26, 2022
  • #21,091
Brighton Sky Blue said:
A record low against the dollar. Congratulations Tory membership
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20-year low for the euro too.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 26, 2022
  • #21,092
BOE planning on an emergency rise in interest rates off the back of the pound sliding. Emergency rise doesn’t sound good, sounds like it might be a big one.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 26, 2022
  • #21,093
R4 outdid themselves this morning. After spending last week absolutely refusing to ask any Tory how they’d pay for all this, they spend the entire interview with Reeves asking how she’d pay for one small part of it that she wouldn’t reverse.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 26, 2022
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chiefdave

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  • Sep 26, 2022
  • #21,095
shmmeee said:
R4 outdid themselves this morning. After spending last week absolutely refusing to ask any Tory how they’d pay for all this, they spend the entire interview with Reeves asking how she’d pay for one small part of it that she wouldn’t reverse.
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pretty much sums up politics in this country doesn't it. same with the voting public. will accept all manner of shit from the Conservatives but if they find one thing from Labour they don't agree with they won't even consider voting for them.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 26, 2022
  • #21,096
Here you go @Ian1779 ask and ye shall receive.

 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Sep 26, 2022
  • #21,097
skybluetony176 said:
BOE planning on an emergency rise in interest rates off the back of the pound sliding. Emergency rise doesn’t sound good, sounds like it might be a big one.
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The afternoon of the ‘mini budget’ I heard 1% next month. BoE shouldve probably raised by 0.75% last month anyway but they’ll have to rise even more now

Just seen the markets are pricing in rises of 1.75% by end of Nov

The markets don’t like to see minimal/no fiscal discipline. It was one of the issues I had with Corbyn but to be honest I’d prefer a couple of his investment spends than some of what Truss/Kwarteng are doing. The markets mayve accepted the energy plan on its own, but stuff like the top rate tax cut (which is relative small policy in grand scheme of things) is probably viewed as totally unnecessary at present and demonstrates that lack of discipline
 
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  • Sep 26, 2022
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chiefdave said:
pretty much sums up politics in this country doesn't it. same with the voting public. will accept all manner of shit from the Conservatives but if they find one thing from Labour they don't agree with they won't even consider voting for them.
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But Starmer....
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 26, 2022
  • #21,099

Obviously the rounding up of landlords into gulags is being saved for the second term.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Sep 26, 2022
  • #21,100
shmmeee said:
Here you go @Ian1779 ask and ye shall receive.

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Ask em to do energy companies too
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 26, 2022
  • #21,101
We knew she'd be bad, really bad, but did we expect letters to be going in after just a few weeks in charge?


 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 26, 2022
  • #21,102
PVA said:
We knew she'd be bad, really bad, but did we expect letters to be going in after just a few weeks in charge?


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What are they going to do? You’d just end up with another three months of blue on blue fighting, another leader that half the PCP doesn’t like and even less time before an election campaign.

They’re all in, Trussenomics or bust now.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 26, 2022
  • #21,103
The British real economy is in a catastrophic place now, the rise in interest rates is going to depress consumer spending further. You could see GPD rising (as it has over the past few years) but actually money circulating around the economy falling, as money is extracted by bankers.
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 26, 2022
  • #21,104
Robert's going to feel a little silly when he remembers he is very much part of the media.


 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 26, 2022
  • #21,105
Practical question. Interest rates going up, and we currently have the mortgage in place to buy a property. But, surely, prices will go down as interest rates go up?

So... better to sit tight as we are, or bail? A new mortgage would mean paying more for the same amount, but surely, *surely* house prices will dip at least a little?!?
 
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