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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #20,861
Ian1779 said:
Such a powderpuff interview too - the alleged ‘journalist’ didn’t challenge one ounce of her bullshit. Might as well have been a party political broadcast.
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She isn’t going to face a journalist who’s going to challenge her.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #20,862
skybluetony176 said:
The devil is obviously in the detail but from what she’s said in interviews she seems completely economically illiterate. She’s been banging on about our debt to GDP ratio desperately trying to justify borrowing by saying we’re not as bad as other G7 countries. Which as a comment in isolation is true but it doesn’t mean we’re doing great. It’s currently at about 81% but we’ve had slow/stagnated growth for a decade, are heading into a recession which is projected to be deeper and longer than comparable countries which is going to increase that number without the extra debt she’s talking about. The country is spiralling and she’s on cloud cuckoo land.
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Wanting to reduce the tax take is fine if you can prove that you will recoup at least as much back from ‘growth’. It did blow a huge gangrenous hole in the American budget when Trump and Bush did it but sure we can try the same failed idea again here
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #20,863
skybluetony176 said:
The devil is obviously in the detail but from what she’s said in interviews she seems completely economically illiterate. She’s been banging on about our debt to GDP ratio desperately trying to justify borrowing by saying we’re not as bad as other G7 countries. Which as a comment in isolation is true but it doesn’t mean we’re doing great. It’s currently at about 81% but we’ve had slow/stagnated growth for a decade, are heading into a recession which is projected to be deeper and longer than comparable countries which is going to increase that number without the extra debt she’s talking about. The country is spiralling and she’s on cloud cuckoo land.
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I've said before she sounds like someone who's just attended their first A level economics lesson and trying to show off what she's learnt.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,864

Awks
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,865
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I've said before she sounds like someone who's just attended their first A level economics lesson and trying to show off what she's learnt.
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Definitely smells of “had a few meetings with advisors/ ‘meetings with the chancellor’ (nudge nudge)”
 

dutchman

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,866
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Wanting to reduce the tax take is fine if you can prove that you will recoup at least as much back from ‘growth’.
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The trouble with that is you can't 'grow' an economy when international trade is shrinking, you just suck in imports which leads to a trade deficit, run on the Pound, etc. That has been the downfall of many a previous UK Prime Minister.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,867
shmmeee said:

Awks
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She's still correct about nationalisation.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,868
On the day biden rubbished 'trickle down' economics she's doubling down on it. She's a moron.
We've had years of wealth transfer from the poor to the rich, there is no trickle down.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,869
clint van damme said:
She's still correct about nationalisation.
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Cant nationalise what’s already nationalised.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,870
shmmeee said:
Cant nationalise what’s already nationalised.
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Of course not, and she's slipped up, but the whole thing needs nationalising so her general point is correct.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,871
clint van damme said:
Of course not, and she's slipped up, but the whole thing needs nationalising so her general point is correct.
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Also different doing some firefighting to having an actual strategic plan
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,872
Deleted member 5849 said:
Also different doing some firefighting to having an actual strategic plan
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Im surprised she’s had the courage to unmask on public transport given she once said unmasked Tory MPs were risking her and other labour MPs lives

 

SBAndy

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,873
Grendel said:
Im surprised she’s had the courage to unmask on public transport given she once said unmasked Tory MPs were risking her and other labour MPs lives

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Let me introduce you to the concept they call “time”.
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,874
SBAndy said:
Let me introduce you to the concept they call “time”.
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SBAndy said:
Let me introduce you to the concept they call “time”.
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I think this was around “the time” - have to say I admire her bravery her forcing herself against all her instincts to attend an award night

 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,875
Deleted member 9744 said:
I thought he seemed to be sneering at the idea that Governments should act in a moral way. The argument was that morality gets in the way of growth, which in itself is nonsense.
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I think it’s proven that the growth model leads to uncomfortable moral quandaries
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,876
clint van damme said:
On the day biden rubbished 'trickle down' economics she's doubling down on it. She's a moron.
We've had years of wealth transfer from the poor to the rich, there is no trickle down.
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A fraud on a nationwide scale
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,877
Grendel said:
I think this was around “the time” - have to say I admire her bravery her forcing herself against all her instincts to attend an award night

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There’s around 14 months difference between the tweets?
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,878
shmmeee said:
Cant nationalise what’s already nationalised.
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Well it isn't really is it? It's still a franchised service that happens to be run by a company owned by the DFT as the private company running it handed it back. It is not a nationalised railway in the true sense of the term.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,879
fernandopartridge said:
Well it isn't really is it? It's still a franchised service that happens to be run by a company owned by the DFT as the private company running it handed it back. It is not a nationalised railway in the true sense of the term.
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I just feel crap like this and Corbyns fake “no seats” thing harm their case TBH.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,880
I'm all for a free market economy. If these firms have not given any thought to future sustainability, then why should they receive hand outs from the state.

Should they not just be sold privately for anyone who wants to take the debt on with the spirit of capitalism at the forefront of this thinking, or taken into public ownership at whatever fire sale price the administrator could get from the Government?

After a while, the businesses would become a viable again, and then be sold by the government at a profit or kept on being run by the Govt at a profit.

Absolutely fuck the shareholders.

Business energy prices to be cut by half expected levels

UK government to cap gas and electricity costs for businesses, charities and public sector from October.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,881
shmmeee said:
I just feel crap like this and Corbyns fake “no seats” thing harm their case TBH.
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I agree with you, she needs to be a lot more savvy
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,882
Philosorapter said:
I'm all for a free market economy. If these firms have not given any thought to future sustainability, then why should they receive hand outs from the state.

Should they not just be sold privately for anyone who wants to take the debt on with the sprit of capitalism at the forefront of this thinking, or taken into public ownership at whatever fire sale price the administrator could get from the Government?

After a while, the businesses would become a viable again, and then be sold by the government at a profit or kept on being run by the Govt at a profit.

Absolutely fuck the shareholders.

Business energy prices to be cut by half expected levels

UK government to cap gas and electricity costs for businesses, charities and public sector from October.
www.bbc.co.uk
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That’s what the Germans are doing I think nationalising failed energy companies.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,883
Philosorapter said:
I'm all for a free market economy. If these firms have not given any thought to future sustainability, then why should they receive hand outs from the state.

Should they not just be sold privately for anyone who wants to take the debt on with the sprit of capitalism at the forefront of this thinking, or taken into public ownership at whatever fire sale price the administrator could get from the Government?

After a while, the businesses would become a viable again, and then be sold by the government at a profit or kept on being run by the Govt at a profit.

Absolutely fuck the shareholders.

Business energy prices to be cut by half expected levels

UK government to cap gas and electricity costs for businesses, charities and public sector from October.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Mass business collapse would be a much worse outcome, you can see the vulture capitalists circling
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,884
What actually is the Truss plan?

just borrow billions to pay the energy companies the difference between cost and cap?
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,885
Kwarteng seemingly off his tits at the funeral.

Can you imagine the general outrage and backlash if a Labour MP was seen doing this?

 
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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,886
PVA said:
Kwarteng seemingly off his tits at the funeral.

Can you imagine the general outrage and backlash if a Labour MP was seen doing this?

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I believe it’s known as postural sway



In reality it’s all a game to them so he’s probably on the phone to his mum asking her if she can see him on telly yet and then getting all excited when she said yes.
 

chiefdave

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,887
looks like the 4 day week trial is an overwhelming success from any angle you look at it

Four-day work week 'no longer dream' with 86% of trial firms wanting to keep it

'The four-day week isn’t a future dream.'
metro.co.uk
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,888
fernandopartridge said:
Mass business collapse would be a much worse outcome, you can see the vulture capitalists circling
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I think many businesses on the brink at the moment would be operated by vulture capitalists.

I could be wrong.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,889
I could see small business support being needed, but if you are taking huge profits each year, then why would you as a business need socialism again to prop to you up when things go bad?
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,890
Seems like the banking crisis all over again without any lessons learned.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,891
chiefdave said:
looks like the 4 day week trial is an overwhelming success from any angle you look at it

Four-day work week 'no longer dream' with 86% of trial firms wanting to keep it

'The four-day week isn’t a future dream.'
metro.co.uk
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But..but...Grendel said it was mad and businesses would never go for it because it would destroy productivity and harm the economy.

Surely he can't be wrong again?
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,892
Philosorapter said:
I could see small business support being needed, but if you are taking huge profits each year, then why would you as a business need socialism again to prop to you up when things go bad?
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Because in a crisis everyone is a socialist.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,893
Philosorapter said:
I could see small business support being needed, but if you are taking huge profits each year, then why would you as a business need socialism again to prop to you up when things go bad?
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Because they get to keep all the profits and someone else foots the bill when it goes to shit. It's brilliant for them.

The last thing they actually want is for everyone to actually install capitalism properly. Because if they did they'd be fucked as no-one would bail them out.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,894
Philosorapter said:
Seems like the banking crisis all over again without any lessons learned.
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Of course no lessons have been learnt. They don't do lessons. They do money.

If you truly wanted them to learn, you wouldn't bail them out and show them actions have consequences.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20,895

UK 'has particularly extreme form of capitalism'

We urgently need to rethink the role of business in society, says the author of a new report.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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