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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 8, 2022
  • #20,791
CCFCSteve said:
It boths fault not more has been done. They take a long time to agree and build and I don’t think Labour started any whilst in power. Tories only commissioned one though I think, hardly a record to shout about
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Labour laid the foundations to fast track any new nuclear power stations under the reformed planning act in 2008. Basically following an energy review in 2006 labour acknowledged that we needed more nuclear generation. The 2008 planning act was the first step in making it happen quickly. Basically nuclear power stations under the act were deemed nationally significant infrastructure meaning the government could pretty much just grant planning and that’s that. IIRC the Tories in opposition opposed it, footage from a PMQ’s was doing the rounds of Blair mocking Cameron for opposing it. Then the banking crisis hit and it took a back seat, then there was a GE which put the coalition in charge, three backers were still on the table but the coalition didn’t move it forward. Hinckley C is currently under construction but I think I’m right in saying that it was May who got that moving using Labours plan for nuclear generation and the planning act labour put in place in 2008. If you’re going to blame anyone you’ve got to blame Cameron, the foundation’s were laid but he did nothing with it. Prior to labours 2006 energy review there was actually a cross party agreement on not developing more nuclear plants so prior to that you have to blame everyone.

The real fuck up is we learned fuck all from the Suez crisis, we should have been developing wind power in the 70’s with the Scandinavians in the wake of the Suez crisis and then we would have been where we are now with wind 20, 30 maybe 40 years ago. The under elopement of wind, especially off shore is the real kicker.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 8, 2022
  • #20,792
CCFCSteve said:
Agreed. I was talking immediate term in terms of encouraging reduction in demand/usage
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The big one is heating really. It’s where most of the gas goes. Certainly at the very least a campaign to check the hot water temperature and “wear a jumper to stick it to Putin” or something would be relatively low effort. Problem is that without the cap this stuff sounds very cruel to people whose bill is tripling and they’re being told how to have 10p a week or something.

But long term you’re just kicking the can when you leave such massive low hanging fruit as insulation. This is always the problem with crisis debate, solving the root cause takes too long so we don’t do it now, but then the issue isn’t so pressing after so we don’t do it then either. Frustrating.
 
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SkyBlueCharlie9

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  • Sep 9, 2022
  • #20,793
Nuclear Power, oil, gas or fracking is not the answer.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Sep 9, 2022
  • #20,794
It's unbelievable that a serious government would say they're backing fracking due to an energy crisis and a need to be more energy self-sufficient after cutting help to renewables which are cheaper to produce, won't fuck the environment in a million different ways like emitting CO2 which adds to climate change, contaminating water supplies or causing earth tremors and isn't finite so offering a far more stable and long term energy source.

Well, it would be unbelievable until you realise who it is that they're really looking out for..
 
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clint van damme

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  • Sep 9, 2022
  • #20,795
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
It's unbelievable that a serious government would say they're backing fracking due to an energy crisis and a need to be more energy self-sufficient after cutting help to renewables which are cheaper to produce, won't fuck the environment in a million different ways like emitting CO2 which adds to climate change, contaminating water supplies or causing earth tremors and isn't finite so offering a far more stable and long term energy source.

Well, it would be unbelievable until you realise who it is that they're really looking out for..
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Your last sentence is spot on.
'Patriot' Farage involved.
He loves the country that much he wants to decimate the country side.
Still it will go nicely with the shit filled waterways.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 10, 2022
  • #20,796
clint van damme said:
Your last sentence is spot on.
'Patriot' Farage involved.
He loves the country that much he wants to decimate the country side.
Still it will go nicely with the shit filled waterways.
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He’s just released a range of gin calling it the quintessential British drink. I mean it was invented by Italian monks, the name is derived from Dutch and we’re not even the biggest drinkers of it in Europe. Other than that. They’re in 3 colours, red white and blue. His favourite is white, naturally.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 10, 2022
  • #20,797
SkyBlueCharlie9 said:
Nuclear Power, oil, gas or fracking is not the answer.
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 16, 2022
  • #20,798
Grim.

 
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JAM See

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 16, 2022
  • #20,799
shmmeee said:
Grim.

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Who cares about living standards.

Sovereignty innit.

We've taken back control.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Sep 16, 2022
  • #20,800
shmmeee said:
Grim.

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So trickle down is actually trickle doesn't.
Can't believe those free marketeers have been lying tous, they seemed so honest.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 16, 2022
  • #20,801
shmmeee said:
Grim.

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Let it never ever be said that the Tories are the ‘competent’ ones at running the economy
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 16, 2022
  • #20,802
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Let it never ever be said that the Tories are the ‘competent’ ones at running the economy
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They run the economy brilliantly for the wealthy elite

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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 16, 2022
  • #20,803
shmmeee said:
Grim.

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Still, at least when we rejoin we’ll be able to export cheap labour to Poland. So basically brexit will have been a success because it’s addressed the imbalance of labour import/export between us and Poland.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 16, 2022
  • #20,804
fernandopartridge said:
They run the economy brilliantly for the wealthy elite

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Not even actually.

If you read the article (don’t accept cookies it seems to break the proxy): 12ft |

Even the 90th percentile is below places like Norway and way below the likes of the US.



It’s just rank incompetence caused by a broken ideology.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 17, 2022
  • #20,805
Good to see the new admin has its priorities straight. Scrapping an entirely optional working right straight out the gate.

 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #20,806
Ouch

 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #20,807
shmmeee said:
Ouch

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BLM and wokeness have a lot to answer for.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #20,808
shmmeee said:
Ouch

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I wonder what that could have been?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #20,809
clint van damme said:
BLM and wokeness have a lot to answer for.
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I blame the deep state liberal elite.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #20,810
Sick Boy said:
I blame the deep state liberal elite.
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it's going to be a long time before a lot of people can actually admit what's caused it.
Which dim witted tory fuckwit said no downsides, was it that cretin David Davies?
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #20,811
And Covid was also to blame for poor trade figures as well apparently. That well known pandemic of 2016. That only affected the UK.

I think in time you'll find a lot of people won't admit they voted for it. It'll be like the Iraq war and the majority 'remember' being against it at the time, despite that not being the case.
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #20,812
I. Wondering if the debt to GDP ratio would be 40 %lower too?
 

clint van damme

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  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #20,813
didn't take Liz long


the meeting with Biden mentioned in the interview has been cancelled now by Biden.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #20,814
The country needs rid of the Tories almost as much as we need rid of SISU
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #20,815
shmmeee said:
Ouch

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It’s an absolute disaster
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #20,816
shmmeee said:
Ouch

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At least we have our country back.

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Deleted member 9744

Guest
  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #20,817
Sky Blue Pete said:
It’s an absolute disaster
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But still the BBC will be scared to mention it, and sorry it's only going to get worse with Truss' plans.
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #20,818
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The country needs rid of the Tories almost as much as we need rid of SISU
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Imagine you can have one of them. What you picking?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #20,819
Ian1779 said:
Imagine you can have one of them. What you picking?
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SISU
 
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JAM See

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #20,820
Brighton Sky Blue said:
SISU
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Wrong answer.

Try again.

You have one attempt left.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2022
  • #20,821
JAM See said:
Wrong answer.

Try again.

You have one attempt left.
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I was being facetious
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 19, 2022
  • #20,822
shmmeee said:
Ouch

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Not sure where the data came from to produce the video but had to check as it looked a bit OTT and the Twitter feed name suggests there might be a slight bias Thought it might be something to do with split between goods/services but gov data indicates goods exports continued to grow after 2016 until pandemic. Maybe fx related (which is partially linked to brexit)

UK trade in numbers (web version)

www.gov.uk

Global exports of goods have been on the slide for a long time though as our global share on link below confirms.

Exports by Country 2025

worldpopulationreview.com

Evolution of the world's 25 top trading nations

Discover in less than one minute the evolution of the world's main trading nations. Trade has significantly expanded in the last four decades. In 1979, trade represented 36% of global GDP and by 2019 the figure had grown to 60%.
unctad.org

However total exports of goods and services we were still 5th in the world last year which suggests services have plugged the gap for manufacturing/goods exports over the years

Exports by Country 2025

worldpopulationreview.com

Just giving a bit of context/balance. Brexit obviously hasn’t been good for our trade, certainly not for goods to EU, due to the paperwork ballache but it’s nowhere near as dramatic as the video is suggesting….well, not yet anyway.
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 19, 2022
  • #20,823
CCFCSteve said:
Not sure where the data came from to produce the video but had to check as it looked a bit OTT and the Twitter feed name suggests there might be a slight bias Thought it might be something to do with split between goods/services but gov data indicates goods exports continued to grow after 2016 until pandemic. Maybe fx related (which is partially linked to brexit)

UK trade in numbers (web version)

www.gov.uk

Global exports of goods have been on the slide for a long time though as our global share on link below confirms.

Exports by Country 2025

worldpopulationreview.com

Evolution of the world's 25 top trading nations

Discover in less than one minute the evolution of the world's main trading nations. Trade has significantly expanded in the last four decades. In 1979, trade represented 36% of global GDP and by 2019 the figure had grown to 60%.
unctad.org

However total exports of goods and services we were still 5th in the world last year which suggests services have plugged the gap for manufacturing/goods exports over the years

Exports by Country 2025

worldpopulationreview.com

Just giving a bit of context/balance. Brexit obviously hasn’t been good for our trade, certainly not for goods to EU, due to the paperwork ballache but it’s nowhere near as dramatic as the video is suggesting….well, not yet anyway.
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Well I wondered the same as going from over £800B to around £450B just seemed implausible really.
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #20,824
Uh oh

 
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SBAndy

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #20,825
Instead we get Charter Cities. The joy.
 
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